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Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

Five held in Luton ‘terror cell’ raids | The Sun |News

From The Sun, but it seems our initial response of "It's the Muslim extremists again" is right.

These are going to be unpopular questions but they need to be asked:
1) Why is it pretty much always them?
2) What are appropriate individual, community and governmental responses to this pattern?



An interesting snippet from the history of Troy:
Trojan Horse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Related or unrelated, read into it as you will.

From The Sun, but it seems our initial response of "It's the Muslim extremists again" is right.

Pedantic I know, but I knew one man who insisted on racially and religiously abusing his neighbour on the grounds he was a Muslim, when actually he was a Sudanese Coptic Christain. Never mind, dark skin and squiggly writing, all the same isn't it.

1) "It's the Muslim extremists again", well since every threat report published by the government has said that the principal terrorist threat to national security comes from AQ-inspired terrorism why is that such as surprise?
2) Why is it pretty much always them? Well, did we ask that question between 1969 and now in relation to the Irish?

A suspect’s neighbour said of the Muslim: “He’s a nice friendly guy who always says hello. I can’t recall him ever having a beard or wearing traditional clothes.”

Please the nice clean shaven western clothed man below.

3) Linking to The Trojan Horse. Why do you bring that up?

Would you actually like me to explain the salafist-jihadi world view, or do we just want to say "muzzie+brown=bad"?

PS-Discussing the specifics of a case where the persons have just been arrested is reckless at best. Do you at least see where I am coming from on that? I'm not trying to score points, I just think that it is highly dangerous to discuss individual cases and addresses at point of arrest! Innocent till proven and all that.

Originally Posted by Boumer

Would you actually like me to explain the salafist-jihadi world view, or do we just want to say "muzzie+brown=bad"?

For me take out the "+brown" bit and you've got it in one. Even the Frogs are being more robust about the Religion of Mass Murder and Rapine than this countries lily livered frit establishment...

Originally Posted by sunnoficarus

Oh well, its the Sun!

Yeah, that's why I haven't concluded definitively it is them yet. However I have not yet seen other news articles saying "Oh, actually it is the EDL". Have you?

1) Do you actually know any muslims?

More than I care to elaborate or that you presume.

2) How many Muslims live in the UK and what percentage does this army of 5 represent?

And of those percent maybe 0.000001% are actively trying to kill us. But as July 7 showed it is a few too many.

Secondly it is their growth rate which is of greater concern. Jihad is total war on all fronts - including conquest by demographics and taqqiya.

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

And of those percent maybe 0.000001% are actively trying to kill us. But as July 7 showed it is a few too many.

You could say the same thing about Irish Catholics.

Originally Posted by Boumer

Pedantic I know, but I knew one man who insisted on racially and religiously abusing his neighbour on the grounds he was a Muslim, when actually he was a Sudanese Coptic Christain. Never mind, dark skin and squiggly writing, all the same isn't it.

I oppose any form of illegal harrassment or abuse of Muslims. However the government must call on Muslims to clarify their position in society and we must hold them to account.

1) "It's the Muslim extremists again", well since every threat report published by the government has said that the principal terrorist threat to national security comes from AQ-inspired terrorism why is that such as surprise?

Maybe because they are such a threat to national security?

They are waging war not only with bombs in the streets but also by demographic (higher birth and religious growth rates) and other conquest.

2) Why is it pretty much always them? Well, did we ask that question between 1969 and now in relation to the Irish?

Well even the most extreme IRA didn't want to destroy the infidel now, did they? How is it possible to co-exist with someone who wants to destroy you for your beliefs? Where is the middle ground?

3) Linking to The Trojan Horse. Why do you bring that up?

Would you actually like me to explain the salafist-jihadi world view, or do we just want to say "muzzie+brown=bad"?

I detest racism, but we should have the right to criticise religion, which one believes by choice. Rowan Atkinson said it very well:

BBC NEWS | UK | Politics | Atkinson's religious hate worry

He added: "To criticise a person for their race is manifestly irrational and ridiculous but to criticise their religion, that is a right. That is a freedom.

"The freedom to criticise ideas, any ideas - even if they are sincerely held beliefs - is one of the fundamental freedoms of society.

"A law which attempts to say you can criticise and ridicule ideas as long as they are not religious ideas is a very peculiar law indeed."

PS-Discussing the specifics of a case where the persons have just been arrested is reckless at best. Do you at least see where I am coming from on that? I'm not trying to score points, I just think that it is highly dangerous to discuss individual cases and addresses at point of arrest! Innocent till proven and all that.

We are just talking about what is on the news.

I see that the Suns reporting is aimed at the intellectual level of its readership. They obviously managed to secure an interview with a Luton member of the quantum physics and philosophical debating society. Quote "A suspect's neighbour said of the Muslim: He's a nice friendly guy who always says hello. I can,t recall him ever having a beard or wearing traditional clothes" Absolutely priceless.
In other news the Sun reporter Piggy Malone interviewed the neighbour of a serial burglar, the neighbour said " He was a lovely bloke, i never once saw him looking shifty and wearing a stripy jumper and a mask".

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

Yeah, that's why I haven't concluded definitively it is them yet. However I have not yet seen other news articles saying "Oh, actually it is the EDL". Have you?

More than I care to elaborate or that you presume.

And of those percent maybe 0.000001% are actively trying to kill us. But as July 7 showed it is a few too many.

Secondly it is their growth rate which is of greater concern. Jihad is total war on all fronts - including conquest by demographics and taqqiya.

But as July 7 showed it is a few too many

Yes it is a great pity that in a large population, there are a few bad apples. So.....do we now engage in collective punishment? Or is the whole tree dangerous, and need cutting down. So do we now engage in collective punishment?

Jihad is total war on all fronts - including conquest by demographics and taqqiya

I like it when people start chucking that word about, especially when a "taqiyah" (or prayer cap) is more common than a "taqqiya".

it is their growth rate which is of greater concern

So do we now engage in collective punishment? I once hear a chap in the Ulster context referring to the breeding rates of Catholics as further proof of the satanic plan of the Pope in Rome.

It appears that not only the enemy has declared war on all front, but you have too. Even family is a weapon.

Funny, I would have thought you would have criticised one Islamist thinker (I think it was Ayman Al-Zawahiri) who declared that Jewish children were legitimate targets as they would grow up to become soldiers and Jewish mothers too, on the same grounds that they would bring up fighters too.

I am very worried at your comments, as you seem to be at the thin end of the wedge. When you loose the ability to accept that there are innocents on all sides, I think it is time to have a cup of tea and take a long hard look in the mirror.

Now if I have done you an injustice, I apologise. I think you are playing with some concepts there in those brief 4 sentences that are like matches in their potential for danger.

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

As has been mentioned, this is probably a toss up between the EDL or Mohammedans. If we can establish the identity of even one of the arrested suspects (e.g. Mohammed Haji etc in name) then we have probably established the nature of the alleged terrorist group. It is unlikely the EDL would have a Mohammed in their group, and vice versa!

It ain't necessarily so:

One EDL supporter, a Muslim called Abdul Salaam, 40, from Glasgow, was escorted into the gardens by police under a chorus of shouting from opponents.

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