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"The BBC understands the arrests were made as part of a Met Police anti-terrorism operation codenamed Nimrod.

The operation in Luton is linked to searches at five addresses in the town on 2 September 2011, although they may not be the same five as those where the arrests took place on Tuesday morning". BBC News - Five men arrested in Luton anti-terror raid

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

Any Christian who loves money seeks to serve two masters, and in the end rather than money serving him they become a servant to money.

Money in itself is not evil, but the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.

Yeah ok mate. I've heard ALL the dogma, I've had a lifetime of it too. Met all types of believer, etc, etc, etc.

One of the websites I frequent it the very interesting Old Bailey records website. You can view how things used to be here in England of yesteryear. For example a trail would begin with, say, "You are charged with not having the fear of God before your eyes and having committed the destable sin of Buggery". (Buggery is just here as an example). So you would be in a court of LAW charged with committing a SIN and not "having the fear of god before your eyes". How riddiculus is that? Well, we have moved on since then but not enough for my liking, however compared to some other "Fundamentalist" type countries we are centuries ahead.

Old Bailey Online - The Proceedings of the Old Bailey, 1674-1913 - Central Criminal Court

'Radical' Islam isn't 'Militant' Islam and isn't even the same as 'Devout' Islam! Although since both the Muslims and Boffin accept the Old Testament as a source book they should have a lot in common...Jewishness.

The problem here is one the Boffin is peculiarly well placed to understand, although he probably won't be able to see it. Since the Boffin proclaims himself to be devout, if he can credit that the Muslims might feel a similar level of devotion to their faith, he might get some idea of the impracticality of his ideas. If he's not going to recant his beliefs, why does he think that they would?

Islam is not a cohesive religion, any more than Christianity is. If the Boffin will consider his views of his alleged 'Christian' co-religionists in the CofE, Roman Catholics, Methodists, Mormons etc, and then credit equivalent views to a hypothetical Muslim, he would see that at best the other congregations are seen as sadly misguided as to doctrine, ranging up to abominable sects barely worthy of the name of Christian.

It's exactly the same with the Muslims. However, unlike the Christian, the Muslim has a religious duty to 'struggle'.
Now, this is the magic word 'jihad'-and, depending on which sect or even individual you are dealing with, this can be anything from a monastic observance of the laws up to suicide bombing.

Sunnis don't feel responsible for the actions of Shia and vice versa. Each would consider the other lot capable of anything, but wouldn't see the need to apologise for them. Why should they? Bleedin' heretics.

Christians and Muslims alike are occasionally embarassed by the weirdo members of their own faith, but don't feel the need to wash their dirty linen in public in front of the infidels.

But- There's the key difference between Islam and Christianity- Islam is a religion without a formal chain of command. Most Christian churches still mimic the Catholics, who themselves cloned the Roman Civil Service. This means that a cleric who goes mad, bad or starts to become a charismatic cult leader can be disciplined or expelled.

In Islam, it's the other way around-A charismatic mullah forms his own 'church' around himself-and its his views of 'jihad' that then become mainstream for his followers. No Muslim will condemn another for following 'jihad'-but they might have a lot to say about the way in which they choose to do it, or the sect that they belong to.

Muslamic infidels are an amusing old lot if you actually live with them...

Get pissed? Shiites - fairly devout - but don't mind if you do and drink themselves, but dis the Prophet, any Prophet, and that includes Jesus, and they'll kick your arse. Sunnis - not so devout - regard getting pissed as a bit off but will go batshit fucking nuts if you draw a picture of the Prophet, but Shiites do draw pictures of the Prophet - confusing or what?
And the Wahabbis? Complete hardcore absolutist nutters who hate everyone and who will chop your head off for all the above.

Muslamic infidel plot to rule the world? The three main branches are still fighting furiousy over who was the rightful bloke to follow Mohammed.

What the fuck is it with Luton?

In the 70s & 80s there was a very large Irish community in the town, with more than its fair share of PIRA sleepers, active service units and fellow travellers. Now it's Mujahedin central.

Why not just level the place. Who would either know or care?

Originally Posted by Troy

Yeah ok mate. I've heard ALL the dogma, I've had a lifetime of it too. Met all types of believer, etc, etc, etc.

One of the websites I frequent it the very interesting Old Bailey records website. You can view how things used to be here in England of yesteryear. For example a trail would begin with, say, "You are charged with not having the fear of God before your eyes and having committed the destable sin of Buggery". (Buggery is just here as an example). So you would be in a court of LAW charged with committing a SIN and not "having the fear of god before your eyes". How riddiculus is that? Well, we have moved on since then but not enough for my liking, however compared to some other "Fundamentalist" type countries we are centuries ahead.

Old Bailey Online - The Proceedings of the Old Bailey, 1674-1913 - Central Criminal Court

Two out of seven churches were condemned by Jesus in Revelation. Any church which tries to force it's beliefs on others is wrong, and many are the churches with false doctrines.

The Protestant Reformation was about going back to the Bible and getting rid of the human intermediaries Catholics have between man and God, and the detestable practice of "indulgences" - paying money for propitiation of sins.

There can be no such Reformation in Islam. Muslims believe both the Koran and the Hadith to be without error. How can you reconcile the following Hadith with a tolerant society?

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews , when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

Originally Posted by sunnoficarus

My money is on middle aged, middle class Christian fundamentalist men from the local Bible studies class, but I may be wrong.

Phew, they haven't caught me then... I hope Graham, Malcolm, Oliver, Benjamin or Rupert don't sing like boids when Plod "interview" them.