ARmy Rumour SErvice

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

If the supersonic/supercavitating ASM designers are clever they would design the sensors on the missile to pick up an undisguisable burst of IR consistent with a missile launch, and let the missile assume countermeasure anti-missile missiles have been launched. The evasive response of the ASM can then be to dive underwater.

No reason why the dive position of the ASM should be set in stone.

Please baby Jesus, make it stop.

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

If the supersonic/supercavitating ASM designers are clever they would design the sensors on the missile to pick up an undisguisable burst of IR consistent with a missile launch, and let the missile assume countermeasure anti-missile missiles have been launched. The evasive response of the ASM can then be to dive underwater.

No reason why the dive position of the ASM should be set in stone.

A novel suggestion... but what about endurance? Will the ASM/Torp be capable of 200% distance in both air or sea? Or a 50/50 split? What happens to the ASM when it has to 'dive, dive, dive' further away than it has underwater endurance?

Be better of providing the ASM with some sort of crude counter-measure device against the incoming missile.

Wow, I see a future super-thread coming...

Super-cavitating torpedo-missiles, launched by Super-Harriers flown by RNR pilots off the back of P2000s in the Falklands against supertankers hijacked by Argentinian penguin terrorists...

Originally Posted by Gassing_Badgers

Wow, I see a future super-thread coming...

Super-cavitating torpedo-missiles, launched by Super-Harriers flown by RNR pilots off the back of P2000s in the Falklands against supertankers hijacked by Argentinian penguin terrorists...

You forgot to mention that it will be carrying half a Sabre Sqn at the same time.

Originally Posted by jagman

If Sampson has picked up your flying torpedo before it drops into the sea then where is the advantage?
At that point it just becomes a torpedo with the defender already being aware of its approach

Thats if you can design a torpedo that will still function when it hits the waves at a 1000mph (or whatever figure you choose)

The missile initially travels in air to maximise its range. As there is presently AFAIK no defence against supercavitating torpedoes, the torpedo stage of its attack profile is there to circumvent all possible fielded defences.

A supercavitating torpedo is quite comfortable at 200-300 knots, possibly more:
VA-111 Shkval - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So it is quite possible to have a subsonic cruise missile dive into the water and become a supercavitating torpedo with virtually no speed change. Strengthening the structure against sudden changes in drag is an engineering problem; not insurmountable given that earth penetrating missiles experience much higher structural forces and are still happy. Give them a tactical nuclear warhead and you have a guaranteed long range fleet killer.

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

Give them a tactical nuclear warhead and you have a guaranteed long range fleet killer.

That's a fcuking joke right?

Radiating the oceans doesn't really float my boat I'm afraid. Strategic nukes fine, we'll never use them and if we do it's game over. Tactials are small enough that some brain donor will actually use them.

[QUOTE=sunnoficarus;4364785]The 'approved' way of f**king people up these days is to fire one of your BFO SAM's doing M4+ at them.[/QUOTE]

Can a T45 do this?

Originally Posted by IndependentBoffin

The missile initially travels in air to maximise its range. As there is presently AFAIK no defence against supercavitating torpedoes, the torpedo stage of its attack profile is there to circumvent all possible fielded defences.

A supercavitating torpedo is quite comfortable at 200-300 knots, possibly more:
VA-111 Shkval - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So it is quite possible to have a subsonic cruise missile dive into the water and become a supercavitating torpedo with virtually no speed change. Strengthening the structure against sudden changes in drag is an engineering problem; not insurmountable given that earth penetrating missiles experience much higher structural forces and are still happy. Give them a tactical nuclear warhead and you have a guaranteed long range fleet killer.