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Originally Posted by really?_fascinating

Well pleased that you see us as mugs.

We are fucking mugs. There's just sod all we can do about it other than sign off.

Soldiers are valuable, no-one disputes that. Just need to learn where to point the blame i.e. Not at fellow workers just because they do have the facility to do something about it.

Originally Posted by Roger_The_Cat

So who is the bigger mug? The lorry driver that does something about it or the soldier that accepts it and rather than see the injustice and blame their employer blames those that won't put up with it.

I've just gone 3 yrs without a payrise and swallowed 12% plus inflation. Hundreds of thousands of others in the private sector have also. Excuse me if I don't lend you my hanky.

As for the Olympics well those stadiums won't area clean themselves will they? Don't blame every other worker just because soldiers put up with unwarranted crap and then convince themsleves of their own nobility to compensate. I've said before I was a STAB and if they'd tried coercing me into that Olympics bollocks the CQMS would have been checking my 1157 back in before the ink was dry on the order. I just looked at my Sympathyometer and your complaint didn't register.

The lorry drivers pay claim will not affect the prices you and I pay one jot. Every penny off a drivers pay goes straight into a CEO's pension pot. I told you my experience above. Every word is true.

Your quite the militant left winger, shall we iron out a few facts.

In the military there are orders, there are legal orders and illegal orders. If a soldier receives a legal order he will follow it or be disciplined. A soldier does not simply have the choice of liking it or not, he has to bloody well lump it. This contingency for fuel has not been pulled out the hat, it will be under Military Aid to the Civil Community (MACC) agreement. Soldiers are not there to break the strike they are there to aid and ensure the effective running of the civil community.

The drivers going on strike is a purely selfish act, driven by the union. They've timed it for best effect and are the ones bring in government intervention due to that timing. Other unions are aware of the state of the economy and they are not going out on strike. If things really were as you say there would be national strikes.

If you disagree with soldiers being used under MACC then you must disagree with them delivering life saving bottled water supplies during the floods, which were also under MACC.

As to the Olympics, there is a defence issue, if you hadn't noticed the conflicts we have been involved in have a deep rooting in global terrorism, the Olympic games are a nice juicy target as demonstrated in Munich. These are covered under Military Aid to the Civil Power arrangement (MACP). Much of the man power provided is specialised, either to enhance the limited resources of the Police or provide resources the Police don't possess. The other, non specialised, soldiers doing the more mundane tasks are there mainly as a response to a major incident.

If you disagree with this then clearly you disagree with large vehicle borne IEDs being rendered safe in your city centre, which again would be under MACP.

This country is financially knackered as is many other countries, I'd rather see the hardships we have than go down the pan like Greece. Hopefully we will come through the other end to see those pay rises and bonuses return.

Dingerr once rights have been lost they never come back, ever.
I can't recall one manifesto that said they'd give the working man a better pension, less tax, more pay, more leave. It doesn't happen.
The govt can negotiate it doesn't have to fetch in the forces but they want to crush and steal.

Originally Posted by jarrod248

Dingerr once rights have been lost they never come back, ever.
I can't recall one manifesto that said they'd give the working man a better pension, less tax, more pay, more leave. It doesn't happen.
The govt can negotiate it doesn't have to fetch in the forces but they want to crush and steal.

I'm not talking about rights. I'm putting it from the soldiers point of view, which RTC is quick to slag off, for doing their appropriate duty.

Why would the government negotiate, it's not their company, it's not their argument?

Originally Posted by dingerr

I'm not talking about rights. I'm putting it from the soldiers point of view, which RTC is quick to slag off, for doing their appropriate duty.

Why would the government negotiate, it's not their company, it's not their argument?

It's exactly the govt that's pushing these things. The govt won't keep it's beak out as it wants to shaft all of us.
The Doctors aren't happy let's hope industrial action by many can help us all.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17557206

Jarrod, quick question: Where does that leave Dr's in respect of their Hypocratic oath? Do no harm or some such bollox. By striking aren't they harming the patient?

As for the rest of you making supposition about the potential fuel strikes and the MoD response to it - you're all talking shit!!!! Listen to the news (and I mean really listen) to the news before you select bollox on your mouths gearbox.

All I know is that I have just come back from exercise. The fuel stations up here are dry and I am supposed to seeing my daughter 200 miles away today.

If I don't get to see my little Princess I am going to get a train to London and crack the skull of that fucking twat Minister who encouraged panic buying.

On another note - Dingerr, I usually agree with most of your posts and although your previous one about MACP was factually correct it does not discuss the alarming regularity with which the Government will use the military to accomplish it's aims outside the legal mandate.

Brilliant example a few weeks ago when a Minister announced in Parliament that they would use the RAF to fly animals into Brize to be supplied to corporate animal testing centres. TO be clear, perfectly legitimate and democratic action had pressured corporations into stopping the transport of animals for testing so the Government just shrugged and said "fine, we will use the RAF."

That is an alarming development. The Minister could not successfully argue his case or convince business/constituents to continue a practice so he will use the RAF (illegally we might add) to continue an action.