- 30-03-2012, 01:12 #211
Union said negotiations start Monday. They've got about 24 days before the strike ballot needs to be rerun. I reckon they'll give it a week and if employers cock about they'll aim to set a strike to start when people go back to work after the school holidays. That way the drivers get to build some OT and premium hours up over Good Friday and Easter.
- 30-03-2012, 01:14 #212
- 30-03-2012, 01:17 #213
Soldiers are valuable, no-one disputes that. Just need to learn where to point the blame i.e. Not at fellow workers just because they do have the facility to do something about it.
- 30-03-2012, 01:47 #214
In the military there are orders, there are legal orders and illegal orders. If a soldier receives a legal order he will follow it or be disciplined. A soldier does not simply have the choice of liking it or not, he has to bloody well lump it. This contingency for fuel has not been pulled out the hat, it will be under Military Aid to the Civil Community (MACC) agreement. Soldiers are not there to break the strike they are there to aid and ensure the effective running of the civil community.
The drivers going on strike is a purely selfish act, driven by the union. They've timed it for best effect and are the ones bring in government intervention due to that timing. Other unions are aware of the state of the economy and they are not going out on strike. If things really were as you say there would be national strikes.
If you disagree with soldiers being used under MACC then you must disagree with them delivering life saving bottled water supplies during the floods, which were also under MACC.
As to the Olympics, there is a defence issue, if you hadn't noticed the conflicts we have been involved in have a deep rooting in global terrorism, the Olympic games are a nice juicy target as demonstrated in Munich. These are covered under Military Aid to the Civil Power arrangement (MACP). Much of the man power provided is specialised, either to enhance the limited resources of the Police or provide resources the Police don't possess. The other, non specialised, soldiers doing the more mundane tasks are there mainly as a response to a major incident.
If you disagree with this then clearly you disagree with large vehicle borne IEDs being rendered safe in your city centre, which again would be under MACP.
This country is financially knackered as is many other countries, I'd rather see the hardships we have than go down the pan like Greece. Hopefully we will come through the other end to see those pay rises and bonuses return.
- 30-03-2012, 01:52 #215
Dingerr once rights have been lost they never come back, ever.
I can't recall one manifesto that said they'd give the working man a better pension, less tax, more pay, more leave. It doesn't happen.
The govt can negotiate it doesn't have to fetch in the forces but they want to crush and steal.
- 30-03-2012, 02:07 #216
- 30-03-2012, 02:16 #217
The Doctors aren't happy let's hope industrial action by many can help us all.
- 30-03-2012, 08:05 #218
Jarrod, quick question: Where does that leave Dr's in respect of their Hypocratic oath? Do no harm or some such bollox. By striking aren't they harming the patient?
As for the rest of you making supposition about the potential fuel strikes and the MoD response to it - you're all talking shit!!!! Listen to the news (and I mean really listen) to the news before you select bollox on your mouths gearbox.
- 30-03-2012, 08:34 #219
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All I know is that I have just come back from exercise. The fuel stations up here are dry and I am supposed to seeing my daughter 200 miles away today.
If I don't get to see my little Princess I am going to get a train to London and crack the skull of that ****ing twat Minister who encouraged panic buying.
On another note - Dingerr, I usually agree with most of your posts and although your previous one about MACP was factually correct it does not discuss the alarming regularity with which the Government will use the military to accomplish it's aims outside the legal mandate.
Brilliant example a few weeks ago when a Minister announced in Parliament that they would use the RAF to fly animals into Brize to be supplied to corporate animal testing centres. TO be clear, perfectly legitimate and democratic action had pressured corporations into stopping the transport of animals for testing so the Government just shrugged and said "fine, we will use the RAF."
That is an alarming development. The Minister could not successfully argue his case or convince business/constituents to continue a practice so he will use the RAF (illegally we might add) to continue an action.
- 30-03-2012, 08:47 #220
I would just like to point out that all those of you that have found that mil jerrican that "dropped" off the back of the 4tonner as it offloaded your Exercise kit into the garage, dont get caught using it in your local garage!! Im ok as my village has no mil camps nearby so no one will know!! lol
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