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    Or, perhaps, for a first rate education, to broaden their horizons and establish contacts among the future upper echelons of government and business in the UK and USA.
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    Hong Kong-based Yazhou Zhoukan is reporting that Bo's response to Wang reporting his wife's involvement in Heywood's death was to arrest the senior investigators, two of whom died under interrogation. This would have put Wang next in line and would certainly explain his flight to Chengdu.

    The more that comes out on this story, the more it seems like Bo was constructing a personality cult around himself, which would have caused serious friction with Party Centre including his erstwhile supporters. Nobody particularly wants a new Mao.
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    http://www.economist.com/blogs/multi...na_has_changed

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    So, the scuttling little gits in grey suits discover that money and not the Will of the People is true power? Interesting times. We shall continue to shift product through Kyrgyzstan and Bhutan and watch with interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busterdog View Post
    Or, perhaps, for a first rate education, to broaden their horizons and establish contacts among the future upper echelons of government and business in the UK and USA.
    That is a fair one.

    Maybe, Smartascarrots could indicate as to how the two different norms are reconciled - being a Communist leaning towards Mao and elite education in the UK.

    Bo, being one such case.

    I am sure there would be others too, or is Bo an exception?

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    Confirmation of my guess earlier that Wang Lijun used the US Consulate in Chengdu as a bolthole pending the arrival of the Feds.

    But both Chinese and American officials say much of the communication focused more on helping Mr. Wang flee to the Chinese capital of Beijing into the custody of central government officials, and away from provincial foes.
    We need people who look to the stars, holding the nation and the world in their hearts but at the same time we need down-to-earth people who can do serious and trying work.

    In a definite sense, a country's power and prestige isn't only a reflection of its economic power but also a reflection of its people's quality and morality. Moreover, I think the latter is actually more important in the long-term.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/multi...na_has_changed

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    Some very odd behaviour described here- Smells like early stage warlordism to me. Exclusive - Bo's wife dressed as Chinese army general after Heywood death - source | Reuters


    A woman at the centre of China's biggest political scandal in two decades, wife of deposed political leader Bo Xilai, had once dressed as a military commander last year in a bizarre episode that shines new light on the collapse of Bo's inner circle.

    Bo, ambitious former leader of China's biggest municipality Chongqing, was sacked in March after police began investigating his wife, Gu Kailai, on suspicion of murdering a former family friend, British businessman Neil Heywood, in a row over money.


    News of Bo's removal and the murder allegation against his wife, who is a lawyer and businesswoman, emerged only a month ago, but new details uncovered by Reuters show the house of Bo was already in chaotic decline at the time of Heywood's death.

    The new details, provided by sources with knowledge of the police case against Gu, include that she is alleged to have poisoned Heywood after the Briton demanded a 10 percent cut for his role in organising a large, illicit money transfer for her.

    A few days after Heywood was killed in Chongqing, southwest China in November, Gu strode into a meeting of police officials wearing a military uniform and gave a rambling speech in which she told the startled officials that she was on a mission to protect the city's police chief, Wang Lijun, the source said.

    "First she said that she was under secret orders from the Ministry of Public Security to effectively protect Comrade Wang Lijun's personal safety in Chongqing," said the source, adding that she wore a green People's Liberation Army (PLA) uniform with a major-general's insignia and bristling with decorations.

    "It was a mess," he said of Gu's speech, which circulated among some police and officials. "I reached the conclusion that she would be trouble."

    It was not clear to those present why Gu, who had never served in the military, had put on a PLA uniform or what she was trying to convey with her vow to protect Wang, the source said. The incident, on or about November 20, left the officials even more bewildered about her mental state, he added.

    At that time, Heywood's family had been told that there were no suspicious circumstances and that he had died of a heart attack brought on by excessive alcohol consumption.

    Only later did Wang begin probing Heywood's death, treating it as a poisoning and identifying Gu as chief suspect. He revealed his suspicions to Bo at an explosive meeting in January, sources said. The police chief then fled to a U.S. consulate in February, hiding inside for more than 24 hours before leaving into the custody of central government officials.

    Wang had been the spearhead of Bo's anti-corruption drive in Chongqing, a plank in the politician's barely concealed campaign to enter the topmost ranks of the ruling Communist Party.

    HEYWOOD 'DEMANDED 10 PCT'

    Gu's appearance in PLA uniform was part of a cascade of extraordinary events that have led to China's worst leadership crisis since the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown, months before the party anoints a new generation of top leaders.

    There had been rumours circulating in elite circles that Gu had been assigned a military rank, but officials dismissed them as an attempt to brandish her authority and background.

    Her uniform was of the same rank as her father's, a PLA leader who fought the Japanese occupation in the 1930s and 1940s, and might have been given to her out of "respect for her father", said a second source with knowledge of the incident.

    Even if Gu was somehow entitled to the uniform, which the sources doubted, the civilian setting in which she showed her apparent military rank made her performance disturbing and politically troublesome, they said.

    "That was clearly a violation of disciplinary rules, a serious one," said the first source with ties to Bo and his family, referring to talk among officials that Gu had assumed a military title. "Even her background gives her no right to do anything like that."

    Gu and the family's 32-year-old aide, Zhang Xiaojun, have been named as the main suspects in the murder of Heywood, whose body was found in a Chongqing hotel room on November 15. Chinese authorities say he was poisoned.

    Bo, who was suspended from the elite Politburo last month, could later face a police investigation as well.

    Neither Bo nor Gu has been allowed to answer the accusations in public. Heywood's family has also declined to comment.

    Chinese government ministries have not responded to written questions about the case against Gu.

    A source citing details from Wang's testimony to investigators said Gu became angry and increasingly distrustful with Heywood after he demanded "at least 10 percent" to move a large sum abroad for her.

    Sources had previously said Heywood demanded an unspecified proportion of the deal that Gu considered too large.

    "It was a large amount, probably from a dirty deal, and Heywood was also nervous about handling it," said the source. He said he did not know the size of the offshore transaction.

    It remains unclear how Heywood might have helped Gu shift money offshore. Chinese citizens are only allowed to transfer $50,000 out of the country each year.

    BO'S MISGIVINGS

    Long before Gu's alleged falling out with Heywood, Bo voiced misgivings about her involvement in business, according to another British businessman who had dealt with Gu and Heywood.

    "He hated what she was doing," said Giles Hall who dined with Heywood and the Bo family on a visit to China a decade ago, recalling a heated conversation overheard between Bo and Gu.

    "There was an agitated conversation going on. There were a few threats being made. We were a bit nervous. We were in this restaurant. We said (to the interpreter) 'What's the problem?' and the interpreter said 'Her husband does not like her business dealings'. So he wasn't happy with it."

    Hall, who was trying to tempt Bo to set up a tourism venture involving a hotair balloon, said Gu showed a ruthless streak.

    "You couldn't cut her up (cross her) that was for certain. She said to me 'You cross me - never come to China, you'll never get out of jail'. There was no mucking about."
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    Quote Originally Posted by HectortheInspector View Post
    Some very odd behaviour described here- Smells like early stage warlordism to me. Exclusive - Bo's wife dressed as Chinese army general after Heywood death - source | Reuters
    That's a bit unfair. Some of the warlords were quite competent rulers.
    We need people who look to the stars, holding the nation and the world in their hearts but at the same time we need down-to-earth people who can do serious and trying work.

    In a definite sense, a country's power and prestige isn't only a reflection of its economic power but also a reflection of its people's quality and morality. Moreover, I think the latter is actually more important in the long-term.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/multi...na_has_changed

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    smartascarrots,

    Since you are in China or so I understand, could you tell me what's going on with the blind activist or the Police Chief going into US diplomatic areas and then coming out voluntarily and court arrest or whatever.

    Why do they go to the US diplomatic areas and then give themselves up?

    Odd.

    and why is it in China that people flee to US diplomatic areas and the same no longer happens in the rest of the world?

    I thought China has become real liberal.

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    Apparently "Chen Guangcheng says he left his refuge in the US embassy in Beijing after Chinese authorities made threats to his family". It was unlikely that the Chinese authorities would ever allow Chen and his family to leave for the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayc View Post
    smartascarrots,

    Since you are in China or so I understand, could you tell me what's going on with the blind activist or the Police Chief going into US diplomatic areas and then coming out voluntarily and court arrest or whatever.

    Why do they go to the US diplomatic areas and then give themselves up?

    Odd.

    and why is it in China that people flee to US diplomatic areas and the same no longer happens in the rest of the world?

    I thought China has become real liberal.
    Firstly,

    Quote Originally Posted by smartascarrots, Post 48 on this thread
    A remarkably persistent rumour, but not true I’m afraid. I’m an amateur Sinologist (Master in Chinese Studies and current part-time PhD candidate) and semi-professional China analyst for a major UK university.
    It tends to distract from the flow of the thread somewhat if you don't read it to see what information has already been given.

    As to Chen Guangcheng, it's been a disgraceful affair from the start. Not so much from the 'locking him up' standpoint - their country, their rules - but from the fact that they quite blatantly violated the laws and constitution to detain both the man himself and his family. It's a constant reminder that there's a lot of work left to do in China, regardless of the progress made.

    Why do people still go to US Consulates? Well, there's the raw power aspect to it. The US is still the pre-eminent power on the globe and one which can always use a handy stick with which to beat the PRC government: it can't be Tibetans all the time, you know. Given how much VoA broadcasts criticisms of China's human rights record, people can be forgiven for believing the US'll be grateful for a cause celebre.

    Then, VoA and similar organs are extremely good at propagandising (in the original sense) US values and when your sources are restricted to that and official/officially-monitored sources, the image of white-stetson-on-the-horizon sinks in deeply. That's precisely why the PRC government made absolutely sure that Abu Ghraib et al. were covered in news media around the country in a 'theirs stinks too, see?' campaign.

    Lastly, and I think this is more likely in the Wang case than Chen's, US officials can be trusted to deliver messages directly to the highest levels of the PRC government far more readily than any subsidiary level of Chinese officialdom. Hong Kong's New-Way Monthly reported recently that Bo had already war-gamed a number of assassination scenarios including faking a medical report that Wang was suicidal. If true, Bo's departure for Kunming shortly before Wang's dash for the consulate could have been read by a squirrelly Wang that he was trying to distance himself from the scene of the intended crime.
    We need people who look to the stars, holding the nation and the world in their hearts but at the same time we need down-to-earth people who can do serious and trying work.

    In a definite sense, a country's power and prestige isn't only a reflection of its economic power but also a reflection of its people's quality and morality. Moreover, I think the latter is actually more important in the long-term.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/multi...na_has_changed

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