ARmy Rumour SErvice

**17THSEPTEMBER1944** · 08-03-2012, 15:39

Originally Posted by AlienFTM

If Cameron had had a pair, in the run-up to the election he'd have stated his intention in good time to start pulling out the troops within a week of the election, so those involved could start making plans to carry out the withdrawal and Johnny foreigner could start to make plans to fill the void. I wonder if we'd have a coalition now if he had done that?

Job's been a good one lads, you have served your country proud. Time to come home with heads held high: you achieved your mission with alacrity. Up your Arrses politicos. I've shit better after a week on Hohne ranges and my alimentary canal is bunged up with cordite.

Achieved what?

**AlienFTM** · 08-03-2012, 15:58

Originally Posted by 17THSEPTEMBER1944

Achieved what?

Okay. Achieved is the wrong word. My mistake. Read "performed".

**Explosive_Train** · 08-03-2012, 19:42

Tragic waste.
RIP, Condolences to family and friends.

**FNUSNU** · 08-03-2012, 20:09

RIP and condolences.

**MrDave** · 08-03-2012, 21:50

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought we the UK, went in to stop al qaeda using training camps with taliban approval, a job I think that could have been done better and with less risk using drones and air power, now to do the job of stopping training camps you need to be in total control of the country I would think? not in small areas sort of like the 7th cavalrys forts in the wild west with the Indians doing what they like outside of said forts. Now whilst its nice for girls to be able to go to school and people play sports ect, if that is their wish without getting a beating or worse thats not why we went their, nor do I in my opinion think this is worth the life of one single British serviceman or women, where not even stopping the farmers growing poppys which by way of heroine is killing more people then 9/11 or 7/7 put together, meanwhile hamid karzais friends and cronies are stealing more money as the days go by.

There is only one outcome, and we all know what it is, I'm sorry when people say we should not pull out so their loved ones did not die in vein, my answer to that is just because you have had the misfortune to lose a loved one why should someone elses loved ones needlessly join them.

I think the only way we could win this war is too expand the army intill it is an army, then put 100,000 British troops their, even then it would take more money, lives and years then I could think of and we know we cannot afford this, so the only other option is to get out and let the Taliban and the corrupt and incompetent Afgan forces kill each other, most will just rejoin the Taliban I'm sure, we should enforce a no fly zone and let the barbarians live in the stone age.

my condolences to the familys and friends of this tragedy.

**The_IRON** · 08-03-2012, 22:01

Having served with the Duke of Wellingtons as a Fitter Sgt many moons ago I know what a great bunch of lads and how much the the Yorks are a great family bunch, a sad day especially to lads so young.

RIP

**fozzy** · 08-03-2012, 22:10

Originally Posted by The_IRON

Having served with the Duke of Wellingtons as a Fitter Sgt many moons ago I know what a great bunch of lads and how much the the Yorks are a great family bunch, a sad day especially to lads so young.

RIP

I also know a good few ex Duke of Wellington's and 3rd Batallion blokes too. As you say, a great family regiment, that is chock full of good people. I know that the extended Dukes regimental family and friends will pull together, during this sad time.

**Stonker** · 08-03-2012, 22:35

Originally Posted by tuffy52

RIPx6,,,,,,No more comment from the politicos and 'experts' enough said by that lot,and the media should stop ramming it home 24/7.....

Give the families time to grieve not just 24hrs...............

Colleague at work (a former Para, lives near Warminster) tells me Warminster has been full of leechbastardpress reporters today, accosting Joe Public and demanding reactions - to the extent that one TV crew were pretty much mobbed out of town because of their crass questioning.

It is a dire state of affairs, and I cannot begin to imagine the anguish of the families.

The rational 'old soldier' part of me says 'you sign up - you take your chances'

Then the other part kicks in. I've got an 18 yr old son - I also know we're outta AFG come 2 years time, regardless of . . . .

Heartbreaking simply doesn't even get close.

**The Booth** · 08-03-2012, 23:00

Why the fcuk are we there? How many Al quada attacks on the UK have come fron Afghan?... None! Ok so they had their training bases there, the training bases were wiped out in 2004 and satellites and drones are more than capable of stopping them from reforming! Not only that but Mr bogeyman bin Laden now sleeps with the fishes. They were the original Blairite goals for our troops being in that medieval shithole. Then came missioncreep and gung-ho politician vanity!! My heart goes out to the families of the 404 British fatalities and the countless wounded but the sooner Cameron wakes up and brings our lads are home the better.

**Stonker** · 08-03-2012, 23:03

Originally Posted by FORMER_FYRDMAN

I think we did go in properly - then someone changed the mission from smash the Taliban to turn Afghanistan into a shining beacon of freedom without having a clue what they were taking on. Perhaps if the politicians sent their children to fight in Afghanistan, they wouldn't be so keen to undertake the complete social reform of a fanatical warrior society riddled with criminality and corruption, and fired by an inbuilt and centuries-old antipathy to interfering outsiders.

Smash the taliban? That was not the primary mission, IIRC (although - in fairness, it is difficult to identify a clear mission at any stage in this nightmare).

On Day One, we were targeting Al Qaida, and the aim was to prevent the failed state of Afghanistan harbouring them.

When that cunt Bush decided (on the advice of that cunt Rumsfeld, IIRC, based on the notion that "We must look strong, and Afghanistan is too small for that, so we must attack Eye-Rack" - I shit you not ) to drop AFG like a hot spud, it started to unravel.

Brit re-insertion (2006 "If we could leave without a shot being fired blah, blah, blahh") was undertaken without any clear understanding of intent: I've heard all sorts: stopping kids being murdered for going to school; stopping farmers producing opium; stopping Talib bastards humiliating women are among them - yet none relate to resolving substantive threats to British national security issues, nor is there any clear goal unifying the actions of the nations operating under the ISAF banner.

Nigh on a decade back, I was angry enough to sign off, because the Eye-Rack invasion was so manifestly wrong. I now find myself increasingly angry that the Afghan involvement (with which I did not initially disagree) has turned into a costly squandering of lives and treasure, to no credible, clearly articulated purpose.

The families of the troops killed on Tuesday will have to deal with the futility of their loss, in perpetuity.

I cannot see CMD, or any of his cohort, understanding what that means.