- 14-07-2012, 15:32 #51
- 14-07-2012, 16:56 #52As a compromise, he suggested that yeshiva students who were not truly devoted to Torah studies – around one-third, he thought – should serve in the army. But this was provided, of course, that they were served kosher food, given enough time to pray and segregated from women.
I find having a large part of the community living on benefits and paying no taxes more problematic than them not wishing to serve. You might compare it to being a enclosed order Monk, another essentially parasitic but traditional way of life, one that is supported in devoutly Papist or Orthodox countries and often not notably lazy. The difference is most Israelis aren't really very religious Jews and simply don't see the point in a life of prayer and learning.
This is an entirely political clash between Israel's socio-militarist state and a traditional way of being a good Jew. There is almost no merit in having them serve. Israel has no shortage of reluctant pissed off conscripts, more will not increase the small pool of quality soldiers that are the IDF's cutting edge. That resentment is at the root of the populist politics that is behind this.
Militarily massed conscription is an outdated concept that most modern industrial nations have abandoned in favor of smaller high tech professional forces. This isn't 48 either, a nuclear armed Israel's defense no longer rests on massed militia men, anymore than Switzerland's does. Only 50% of potential conscripts actually serve anyway, there are other exemptions, you can simply refuse or be rapidly classed as unfit, being "under motivated" included.
The IDF in reality serves a similar social purpose to the Swiss militia, unifying a pretty diverse people, most of it's just an heavily armed scout troop. Its weakness showed in the last Lebanese war, many reservists units did not perform well against better motivated HA village militias. They are a constant source of discipline problems in policing ops and the strategically dubious business of protecting settlers in Judea and Samaria.
The beards might argue mass conscription of the nation's youth is a far bigger drain on national resources than the minority occupation of Torah studies which are certainly much cheaper than three years of pointless military hijinks and as a defensive measure has about as much value.That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on!
- 14-07-2012, 17:19 #53
- Join Date
- Mar 2005
The Shahar program channels Haredi men aged 22 to 26 to serve in the army for about 18 months, half the time other males are required to serve. The Shahr program incorporates basic education lessons which theses guys don't get at their Haredi schools (maths, English etc.) and is a means of directing the Haredi into entering the workforce.
- 14-07-2012, 22:16 #54
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- Aug 2008
The best purpose for the Ultra-Orthodox is for guarding your car while you visit Jerusalem.
Your hire car will have yellow number-plates. This marks your car out as an Israeli car. (Arab cars in Judea & Samaria have bluish-grey plates). Rumour has it that the exhaust pipe is a bit shorter than a Christian car, too... Harrumph. Anyway, if you park your car in an Arab area of Jerusalem with it's yellow plates, it will have filled up with rocks by the time you get back.
So, you drop off your girlfriend or wife outside Mea Shearim (otherwise they'll have a go at her for not wearing a wig) and park your car in Mea Shearim. It will be safe there, while you wander around Jerusalem. You need a hat, of course. You wear it when you go up to the Western Wall (not the "Wailing Wall", they don't like it being called that) then take off your hat while in the Christian Churches.
Don't forget to speak German or English if you go into an Arab cafe for a cup of Turkish coffee. Then switch to Hebrew or English in the Jewish areas. No Hebrew in the presence of Arabs, it's not polite. Unless you are an Israeli, in which case, you demonstrate your in-your-face credentials by speaking in Hebrew everywhere.
I prefer Megiddo, myself. I can't walk up onto the observation platform and look out from Har Megiddo (Armageddon) over the Plain of Jezreel without thinking "blimey, this is fantastic tank country..."
I hope that's made everything quite clear.I am very, very old you know...
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