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Discuss Somalia: UK weighs up air strikes against rebels in Current Affairs, News and Analysis on The Army Rumour Service; Do you think that there would be any potential for combating Islam in the Horn of Africa if we recognised the independence of Somaliland? The country has been de-facto independent for a couple of decades ...
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    Do you think that there would be any potential for combating Islam in the Horn of Africa if we recognised the independence of Somaliland? The country has been de-facto independent for a couple of decades already since wider Somalia started falling apart, and as far as I understand it the country has puttered along quite happily, free of the sectarian trauma afflicting the remainder of the region. If we led the way in recognising their statehood, which could be a simple smooth formalisation, we could establish a friendly base in the region with a supportive populace, whose local knowledge could aid us in suppressing enemy in neighbouring Puntland and beyond. Furthermore, by rebuilding Commonwealth ties with Somaliland we might be able to accomplish the rare feat of bringing a Muslim country into a Western orbit.
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    Not a good idea IMHO. Western adventures in that forsaken land do not end well.

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    ^ ^ Hence air strikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by batfink5537 View Post
    ^ ^ Hence air strikes.
    So what happens when an aircrew punches out there? Also, the efficacy of air strikes without coordinated ground action is historically unsuccessful, especially against a dispersed and unsophisticated enemy without the lucrative air targets of C3 nodes and troop concentrations. There is also the apparent mission-stopper of modern day interventions--the risk of noncombatant casualties.

    again, just MHO, there is nothing there worth fighting over at this point in that prehistoric "nation."
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    Yes very true. If we do anything i cant see anything more than air strikes, & SF personell recovery teams on standby incase air crew end up on the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by batfink5537 View Post
    Yes very true. If we do anything i cant see anything more than air strikes, & SF personell recovery teams on standby incase air crew end up on the ground.
    On occasion, even THEM may not recover the crew before the locals get them. I am not saying it can't be done but I fail to see a sufficient upside for the risk.
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    Maybe I am naive, but does it not seem rather a fast and large scale upping of the odds from one of from issuing the RN with gumshields so they can't use their teeth, to bombing the feck out of a country?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpinjarhead View Post
    On occasion, even THEM may not recover the crew before the locals get them. I am not saying it can't be done but I fail to see a sufficient upside for the risk.
    I fear you are too late, with all the press mumblings coming out from the FCO.

    Perhaps the PM has decided to have his on little "Sierra Leone" type mission in Africa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boumer View Post
    I fear you are too late, with all the press mumblings coming out from the FCO.

    Perhaps the PM has decided to have his on little "Sierra Leone" type mission in Africa?
    he can't be that stupid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draft Dodger View Post
    he can't be that stupid
    But launching air strikes on Libya was sooooo exciting!

    It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if we did.

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