Don't be naive, it is in their self interest why ALL nations do what they do one way or another. The internal security situation in Syria is a problem to be solved internally as far as the Russians are concerned and quite rightly so, because like all the other examples of military interference the west has imposed on "rogue states", Russia and China probably see this as just another attempt by western powers to project their influence and shape the global balance in their favour under the guise of "humanity". Note that Bahrain and Saudi are off the humanitarian moral high ground radar since they are already allied, Russia is seen to be the bad guys yet we of course are the good guys, there are no good or bad guys, just nations doing what they think is the best for THEMSELVES and don't actually give a toss about humanity otherwise they would tackle the humanitarian disasters of poverty and disease in Sub Sahara Africa with ease which is far worse than anything happening in Syria.

The reason why we have a UN security council is so that one nation doesn't decide to act as world policemen in areas of their choosing for self interest, with the Russian and Chinese veto they at least have a means to stop nations interfering in the internal affairs of countries and making the situation a whole lot worse unless they can all agree it's in the global interest.

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Originally Posted by MoistVelvet

Don't be naive, it is in their self interest why ALL nations do what they do one way or another. The internal security situation in Syria is a problem to be solved internally as far as the Russians are concerned and quite rightly so, because like all the other examples of military interference the west has imposed on "rogue states", Russia and China probably see this as just another attempt by western powers to project their influence and shape the global balance in their favour under the guise of "humanity". Note that Bahrain and Saudi are off the humanitarian moral high ground radar since they are already allied, Russia is seen to be the bad guys yet we of course are the good guys, there are no good or bad guys, just nations doing what they think is the best for THEMSELVES and don't actually give a toss about humanity otherwise they would tackle the humanitarian disasters of poverty and disease in Sub Sahara Africa with ease which is far worse than anything happening in Syria.

The reason why we have a UN security council is so that one nation doesn't decide to act as world policemen in areas of their choosing for self interest, with the Russian and Chinese veto they at least have a means to stop nations interfering in the internal affairs of countries and making the situation a whole lot worse unless they can all agree it's in the global interest.

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My bold. Not really worked, particularly in the last decade.

That's right, guys, the Russian veto is all to do with their warm hearted approach to international law, which they themselves strive to encourage

There are two opposing views on Syria. One is to say fuck it and let them crack on with destroying each other. The other is to not sit idly by and watch a despotic totalitarian regime murder it's own people.

My own view is despite the shit that might invariably occur, is that we are better than that. We can't stand by and let it happen. Having said that, the Arab League are a load of useless cunts. We should go in, but only if there are Arab feet on the ground with is and the oil rich gulf nations bankroll the gig. We should be quietly remind the likes of Saudi, Kuwait and Qatar that there's a bogeyman over the horizon attempting to make a can of instant sunshine. I think that if the people can overthrow Assad, it would snowball into Iran where, from what I gather, it will only need a spark and it will kick off there too.

Originally Posted by the_guru

There are two opposing views on Syria. One is to say fuck it and let them crack on with destroying each other. The other is to not sit idly by and watch a despotic totalitarian regime murder it's own people.

My own view is despite the shit that might invariably occur, is that we are better than that. We can't stand by and let it happen. Having said that, the Arab League are a load of useless cunts. We should go in, but only if there are Arab feet on the ground with is and the oil rich gulf nations bankroll the gig. We should be quietly remind the likes of Saudi, Kuwait and Qatar that there's a bogeyman over the horizon attempting to make a can of instant sunshine. I think that if the people can overthrow Assad, it would snowball into Iran where, from what I gather, it will only need a spark and it will kick off there too.

Well, you fuck off there and be a hero then mate.
Its got fuck all to do with us, there doesnt appear to be any advantage for us to go there, British soldiers dying because of it isnt worth it.
Do you think our caring sharing mates in Saudi, Kuwait or Qatar would hesitate to hammer their own people if they got a bit uppity?

Nobody mentioned soldiers.
to my knowledge nobody was hurt during Odyssey Dawn and the like, apart from that one poor bloke killed in a traffic accident in Italy.

Originally Posted by Captain Cnutflap

Nobody mentioned soldiers.
to my knowledge nobody was hurt during Odyssey Dawn and the like, apart from that one poor bloke killed in a traffic accident in Italy.

Thats because with the exception of a few speical forces no one actually set foot in the country.
I'd also point out that Libya isnt exactly an oasis of peace at the moment either. The city of Homs has a bit of history of Islamic linked groups causing trouble, do we want them in charge?

Originally Posted by stacker1

Thats because with the exception of a few speical forces no one actually set foot in the country.

And what makes you think things would be any different this time?

Originally Posted by Captain Cnutflap

That's right, guys, the Russian veto is all to do with their warm hearted approach to international law, which they themselves strive to encourage

There is no international law, it's a myth, something that can't actually be achieved in a system of anarchical states, all nations act in their own self interest, it isn't difficult to understand this basic principle.


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Originally Posted by MoistVelvet

There is no international law, it's a myth, something that can't actually be achieved in a system of anarchical states, all nations act in their own self interest, it isn't difficult to understand this basic principle.


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You should probably look the term 'international law' up before you say things like that. IL is tradition and precedent and agreements, nobody claims it to be legally binding like Acts of Parliament,