Coalition will force NHS bill on to statute book, says David Cameron | Politics | The Guardian

A Bill which aims to privatise the social provision of health care, which nobody voted for, is apparently going to be "forced through" by the government, regardless of almost unanimous opposition from the professions.

Naturally, this being Britain, the public have had absolutely no say on this farce.

This section of the article really does sum up the dictatorial approach of British politics:

"No 10 acknowledged it may have taken its eye off the ball, allowing opposition to the bill to re-emerge."

So the objective, presumably, was to supress all opposition and force the Bill through to a background of silence.

Lansley, the prick, in case anybody forgot, has his own motives for bringing this Bill to Parliament:

Andrew Lansley bankrolled by private healthcare provider - Telegraph

Unfortunately, yet again, we are having to rely on an unelected House of Parliament to protect us from the worst elements of a shoddy idea cooked up by the "elected" House.

Alas I fear the Conservatives have accepted too much money from private health care providers to drop this Bill.

This is the beginning of the end for the NHS.

So your contention is that our elected representatives made a decision and unelected people who you happen to agree with can't change it?

Originally Posted by Pyianno

Coalition will force NHS bill on to statute book, says David Cameron | Politics | The Guardian

A Bill which aims to privatise the social provision of health care, which nobody voted for, is apparently going to be "forced through" by the government, regardless of almost unanimous opposition from the professions.

Naturally, this being Britain, the public have had absolutely no say on this farce.

This section of the article really does sum up the dictatorial approach of British politics:

"No 10 acknowledged it may have taken its eye off the ball, allowing opposition to the bill to re-emerge."

So the objective, presumably, was to supress all opposition and force the Bill through to a background of silence.

Lansley, the prick, in case anybody forgot, has his own motives for bringing this Bill to Parliament:

Andrew Lansley bankrolled by private healthcare provider - Telegraph

Unfortunately, yet again, we are having to rely on an unelected House of Parliament to protect us from the worst elements of a shoddy idea cooked up by the "elected" House.

Alas I fear the Conservatives have accepted too much money from private health care providers to drop this Bill.

This is the beginning of the end for the NHS.

My bold.

I do so very hope so. Get this through to your brain - the NHS is a failure.
- It does not make efficient, or even slightly efficient, use of the resources thrown at it.
- It's not been copied as it is crap. Some other Countries may have a similar scheme, but none has anything as inefficient and monolithic as the NHS.
- It consistently provides healthcare results lower than that of other European Nations.
- It is ruled by massive vested interests (TUs of the Doctors and Nurses for a start).
- It has a management system from Hell.

It's crap. Scrap it, copy the French, or German, or Australian, or Irish, or any other fucking system. The NHS is causing unecessary sufferering and premature death for thousands of peple each year - it's time it was ended.

Originally Posted by DeltaDog

So your contention is that our elected representatives made a decision and unelected people who you happen to agree with can't change it?

Rather that an 'elected' government is forcing through a privatisation nobody voted for and an unelected chamber is providing the only effective scrutiny.

Originally Posted by OldSnowy

My bold.

I do so very hope so. Get this through to your brain - the NHS is a failure.
- It does not make efficient, or even slightly efficient, use of the resources thrown at it.
- It's not been copied as it is crap. Some other Countries may have a similar scheme, but none has anything as inefficient and monolithic as the NHS.
- It consistently provides healthcare results lower than that of other European Nations.
- It is ruled by massive vested interests (TUs of the Doctors and Nurses for a start).
- It has a management system from Hell.

It's crap. Scrap it, copy the French, or German, or Australian, or Irish, or any other fucking system. The NHS is causing unecessary sufferering and premature death for thousands of peple each year - it's time it was ended.

Well, even if that were all true (it isn't), there is no public consent for the reform.

Originally Posted by OldSnowy

- It is ruled by massive vested interests (TUs of the Doctors and Nurses for a start).

What, you mean the most important people in the system? I usually prefer systems under the control of the experts that support it. Would you rather trust a politician/admin wonk or a doctor or nurse?

Originally Posted by count_duckula

What, you mean the most important people in the system? I usually prefer systems under the control of the experts that support it. Would you rather trust a politician/admin wonk or a doctor or nurse?

Yes, and the idea that with this Bill you are not substituting one vested interest (professional colleges and unions) with another (the wallets of the shareholders of private providers) is rather risible.

Originally Posted by count_duckula

Would you rather trust a politician/admin wonk or a doctor or nurse?

I'd prefer the doctors and nurses to concentrate on their own jobs and leave the management to managers.

Originally Posted by Turret_Monster

I'd prefer the doctors and nurses to concentrate on their own jobs and leave the management to managers.

That's a fair point, and one of the reasons I think the GP consortia idea (already being put in place, never mind this bill) is bonk. However, if there's a toss-up between the two.. It was more a point about whether politicians and clever-cunt Oxbridge types who work in think-tanks etc know better than healthcare professionals. The government is also keen to privatise the ambulance service. Stand by to get bent over if you call 999 especially if we copy the Yank system: their EMTs are far less qualified than our paramedics.

Does this mean I'll have to pay to get my piles removed?

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Does this mean I'll have to pay to get my piles removed?

Possibly, if it's judged non-essential surgery.