Originally Posted by Alsacien

Why at European level do they align themselves with other national parties that are racist?

Part of not being racist usually manifests itself as not wishing to be involved in any way with any individual or organisation that is, and certainly not at a formal political and public level.....

Maybe the racist parties have realised what a crock of shit the EU is, where as the mainstream parties aren't so likely to publically say they want out.
Lot of squaddies are racist (the Fijians for example) are other soldiers not to be involved with them or is your statement a load of bollocks?

Originally Posted by whitecity

Because the Tories are still wedded to the idea that using the military to play the world's policeman and general 'force for good' is sound policy and in the UK's crucial national interest. Thus, they're more inclined to spend cash on the military that the other parties (remember St. Blair now gone) wouldn't.




There has been an almost constant culling of the military since WW2 - irrespective of the party in power or the operational tempo. Sometimes the culling was as a direct result of financial hardship or downward change in threat/risk assessment. Will the Tories cut even more. Probably if they get a second term. Do I think those cuts will be smaller or greater than the other parties should they assume power? I think smaller. Just.

Whitecity - I think you have not recognised the real character of the power elite within the Tory party - they couldn't care less. The real power now rests in the hands of chinless wimps called Tarquin or Aziz who act as "advisors" to ministers. My instinct is that these twerps are in these positions because favours were owed and they are doing significant electoral damage. Typical first term out of Opposition - they'll need to clean 'em out when Labour starts punching again. The Tories are losing their rural base and Armed Forces support - I'll bet no one in the Tory party would be pleased to lose 200,000 ish votes ( as mentioned in another post).

Does any of this matter to Cameron - No, he has achieved his aim ....... to be elected, because that means a book, Directorships, UN jobette, tax effiecient income structure. I'll be suprised if Cameron doesn't make £20m out his time in office.

The Tories couldn't case less about us.

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Why at European level do they align themselves with other national parties that are racist?

Part of not being racist usually manifests itself as not wishing to be involved in any way with any individual or organisation that is, and certainly not at a formal political and public level.....

....because unfortunately the majority of British and European mainstream parties espouse centre-left/left socialist policies to varying degrees. There are record levels of voter disenfranchisement across Britain and Europe, and much of it is because large parts of the electorate do not feel aligned with the mainstream parties. As the mainstream parties have a death-grip on power in both UK and Europe, small parties of any persuasion have for now to seek alliances wherever they can. The greens and loony left already enjoy the patronage of the big parties; small parties on the right are on their own - for now.

Large parties have politicians who are trained by the party machine to be "on message", particularly in "politically correct" issues. Small parties tend to be made up of individuals who speak their mind. Very easy to cast small right parties as "racist", but somewhat hypocritical, given that large centre-left parties are held to be composed of liars who just say anything to get elected....

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Farage lacks Cleggs charisma......

Clegg ...... charisma ...... are we both talking about the tw@t that is occaisionally allowed out to make an "open goal" announcement and always ends up being wheeled back in looking like a bulldog attacked by a wasp swarm ????

Clegg couldn't open an envelope these days without f*cking it up.

Originally Posted by Hootch

Clegg ...... charisma ...... are we both talking about the tw@t that is occaisionally allowed out to make an "open goal" announcement and always ends up being wheeled back in looking like a bulldog attacked by a wasp swarm ????

Clegg couldn't open an envelope these days without f*cking it up.

Have I just invented "drive-by" irony?

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Have I just invented "drive-by" irony?

Seen - I was also going to add that anyone that in pushing for David Laws to be back in cabinet is an electoral liability.

Originally Posted by whitecity

And, as I'm trying to point out, demonstrates to an even greater degree is lack of 'quality' and basic irrelevance!






You've got mine. But just in case you missed it:

The UKIP defence policy [sic] is incoherent fantasy analysis and planning using ToothFairy Finance funding calculations.

You mean like Labour's economic policies between 1997 & 2010!

Originally Posted by smartarse

UKIP can promise pretty pink bows on solid gold F22s because they are totally and utterly unelectable. They are a protest vote against the EU and it's no surprise that their kindred spirits at the BNP also do well in Euro elections.

UKIP = BNP in blazers

Very clever soundbite smartarse, but that is all it is. If you knew anything at all about the UKIP or even attended a meeting to see the sort of people who go to them, you would know that your comment is a long way wide of the mark. Comparison with the knuckle-dragging, toytown nazi's of the BNP is either ignorant or deliberately provocative.

Im not saying they will do what they say if they get in, all Im saying is a lot of people thought the Lib dems wouldn't get in, and they did, so!

Originally Posted by samain11

Very clever soundbite smartarse, but that is all it is. If you knew anything at all about the UKIP or even attended a meeting to see the sort of people who go to them, you would know that your comment is a long way wide of the mark. Comparison with the knuckle-dragging, toytown nazi's of the BNP is either ignorant or deliberately provocative.

In my case, it's provocative. I think UKIP are a one-horse pony who pretend to have a clue about the vast majority of more pressing political, economic and environmental challenges that we have. Exhibit A? UKIP's defence policy. 'Saving the Armed Forces'? How outcomes-focussed is that for a Page 1 strapline?

UKIP is risible, petty, little-englander pap and Farage is beyond the pale. Luckily we have the democratic process to give these people a voice, and then laugh at them.

As a general observation, when a UKIP supporter takes you into their confidence they do tend to slip up a bit and reveal a less compromising view on immigrants and foreigners. So, in the same way as Lib-dems are wooly geography teachers, UKIP are the sort of people who just don't have the guts to go BNP.