ARmy Rumour SErvice

**King_Chimp** · 25-01-2012, 13:48

I feel I have to add my two pennies worth to a lot of very good posts on here!! IMHO, as little it is worth, I feel that this country really has already gone to the dogs!! On one side we have a Government of a country that is 1 TRILLION pounds in DEBT! Saying that we have to cap benefits to a household for a fair number of decent reasons. On the other side we have people saying it’s not fair to cap it at £26000 as that will mean that lots of families will have to move and go into debt and children will suffer! This is really a no brainer, as if the Government goes bust (not that it will be allowed to or at least I hope not!) all those on Government sponsored benefits will have it stopped!! So there is a need to reduce expenditure! The HM forces have been hit, NHS has been hit, etc…so why not the welfare system!! I must admit I didn’t vote for Cameron and haven’t particularly agreed with all his policies, but I think he has got this dead on…. If we do not do anything about the benefit system it will break the country financially (if in fact it hasn’t already!!) and I am impressed that he has taken this on!!

My own humble opinion is as follows:

If you cannot afford the rent/mortgage – move, or claim social housing. Stating that it’s not fair that the government won’t fund your 2 bed house in London is bullsh*t, I earn over 45k a year (pay a sh*tload in taxes) and cannot afford to live there so why should you get it free/subsidised???

The Child benefit should be capped at two kids up to the age of 16, if you want more children then fund them yourself, why I should pay because you cannot keep your legs together or bother wearing a condom??

The benefit system is there to support those unfortunate individuals who cannot find or are too ill to work, not for those who will not/ cannot be bothered to work! And is not there to give you a good standard of life, it is there to allow you to be able to afford the basics required to live, and unless you’re a complete idiot, £26000 should be enough!!

I get tired of seeing these “poor unfortunate” individuals who cry that they will suffer greatly at this decision, when they have a 50” Plazma TV in the background, obligatory games consoles, all 6 of their kids have the latest i-phone, they are smoking and then whinging about “it’s our right to take all our sprogs on a holiday, and the government should pay”!! try giving up the fags and booze!! They are luxuries!,

The people of Britain are becoming (if they haven’t already) a bunch of layabout useless spongers who think it’s their “Human Right” to receive free money from the government because the do not want to work. I feel that the Archbishop of Canterbury is right, we are morally bankrupt as well as financially!! Oh and can I just remind all these whinging individuals….THE COUNTRY IS A TRILLION POUNDS IN DEBT!! Not that you care, you would rather f**k the future of this country, as long as you get to live free of charge.

I know that there are a lot of sensible arguments based on real facts against all I have written above, but have a think, if YOU were Cameron and had a Trillion pound debt to try and get sorted, how would you do it?? Forget about how and why we are in this state, we are where we are!! Just imagine what would happen if UK PLC did in fact go under!! What would happen then!!

Rant over! Time to turn to the right and march on!!

K_C

**Djbutler** · 25-01-2012, 13:51

It all gets crazy in the end, selling the Big Issue is now classed as working and entitles an immigrant to a National Insurance number which in turn entitles them to claim benefits to support their children somewhere in the bowels of Europe. No wonder we are looked upon as a soft touch. We are hovering around a total economic collapse but we can still pour millions into overseas aid,WTF, I did not give anyone permission to give my taxes to Africa any more than I gave them permission to feed the bloody Martians. In case the government have not noticed we have lots of people in our own country who are in need and they should come first, Incidentally I have no objection to the surplus left over from MP's expenses being sent to aid others.
Please note Africa is used purely as an example of an overseas country and not in a way intended to cause offence or suggest they receive more or less aid than any other scrounging bunch.

**Roger_The_Cat** · 25-01-2012, 15:50

Originally Posted by sunami

Hitler did have a catchy phrase tho' "Arbeit Macht Frei".

I had that as a screen saving on my PC at work when Windows 3.1 came out. It was a time when e were doing stupid hours to get a new computer system tested for live

Word to the wise: Senior American managers, particularly those of Jewish descent, don't think it's funny and like to explain loudly and at length why.

**Roger_The_Cat** · 25-01-2012, 15:54

Originally Posted by King_Chimp

I get tired of seeing these “poor unfortunate” individuals who cry that they will suffer greatly at this decision, when they have a 50” Plazma TV in the background, obligatory games consoles, all 6 of their kids have the latest i-phone, they are smoking and then whinging about “it’s our right to take all our sprogs on a holiday, and the government should pay”!! try giving up the fags and booze!! They are luxuries!,

The people of Britain are becoming (if they haven’t already) a bunch of layabout useless spongers who think it’s their “Human Right” to receive free money from the government because the do not want to work. I feel that the Archbishop of Canterbury is right, we are morally bankrupt as well as financially!! Oh and can I just remind all these whinging individuals….THE COUNTRY IS A TRILLION POUNDS IN DEBT!! Not that you care, you would rather f**k the future of this country, as long as you get to live free of charge.

I know that there are a lot of sensible arguments based on real facts against all I have written above, but have a think, if YOU were Cameron and had a Trillion pound debt to try and get sorted, how would you do it?? Forget about how and why we are in this state, we are where we are!! Just imagine what would happen if UK PLC did in fact go under!! What would happen then!!

Rant over! Time to turn to the right and march on!!

K_C

There was one on Midlands Today around Christams. Had to go to a food bank charity to feed his kids. No money but plastered in tattoos and a face full of various bits of metal, including a clearly new piercing to his lip. Can't eat but can afford to mutilate himself. A strange sense of priorities?

**AFA06** · 25-01-2012, 16:01

After 26 years service I pay £12500 a year in taxes. So what they are saying is that two very old Majors have to work a full year just to support one layabout who is able to lie in bed all day and watch porn on his newly stolen laptop.That sounds fair to me.

**BuggerAll** · 25-01-2012, 16:06

Originally Posted by AIR FILTER

I have noticed that quite a few people are now in the proses of moving out of our country's rich areas .... To the new "Warsaw Ghettos" that are now being created mostly up north .... That's just where our government wants them to be.

Now more of Camerans fellow toff's can now move into London and all our other posh parts of the UK.

A classic case of Conservative = Preservative (of the rich only.)

Off you go - you won't be missed.

**Yorkshire Lad** · 25-01-2012, 16:13

Originally Posted by AIR FILTER

I have noticed that quite a few people are now in the proses of moving out of our country's rich areas .... To the new "Warsaw Ghettos" that are now being created mostly up north .... That's just where our government wants them to be.

Now more of Camerans fellow toff's can now move into London and all our other posh parts of the UK.

A classic case of Conservative = Preservative (of the rich only.)

In all fairness, I would rather have the rich taking up 100% occupancy of London and paying for it out of their seemingly bottomless pockets, than pay a proportion of my salary to have some unemployed tit stay in a property that I couldn't afford to rent even if I commited my whole salary.

If you would rather have an 'equal' London at the cost of your taxes then that's fair enough, but I sure bet you'd bitch and whine if the government proclaimed that they were upping the lower tax rate to 25% in order to fund the housing costs for the unemployed.

**Roger_The_Cat** · 25-01-2012, 16:27

Originally Posted by AFA06

After 26 years service I pay £12500 a year in taxes. So what they are saying is that two very old Majors have to work a full year just to support one layabout who is able to lie in bed all day and watch porn on his newly stolen laptop.That sounds fair to me.

Between us you and I support 3 families. Yours, mine and A.N Other . I hope he's pleased with himself.

On the positive side as a two time L/Cpl I'm quite chuffed to know I earn as much as a Major even though I have to watch porn on my legally obtained laptop after work.

**intli** · 25-01-2012, 19:47

As you all posted at different stages and I can't be a###d (actually not computer literate enough!) to post all your quotes, may I expand on my private landlord comment last night and especially to the 3 posters who are landlords. I hear what you are saying regarding the standard of tenants you get, my brother in law fell foul of the same when he rented out a place his daughter had used while in collecge in Lancaster which was supposedly being managed by a private firm. Place was wrecked and they left with rent arrears and utility bills. On the subject of rent though, I worked for DSS for 6 years in Croydon when I first got out and can speak of some of the establishments I visited that were rented out by private landlords, mainly to ethnics and Irish claimants. The places were barely habitable, the services non-existent but the costs were at the higher end. I can say that by arranging an environmental health guy to visit at the same time and occasionally a fire officer, I did succeed in getting some places closed. Those that had to leave however were often at the bottom end of the scale who would have had problems getting a tenancy of a decent place anyway. These people will always need help as they are the most vulnerable, but have been stuffed by the last lot insisting on paying rent direct to them cos 'it's their right and for their dignity' with the net result they stick it in their arm or p##s it against the wall and end up homeless again. Such is life!

**chocolate_frog** · 25-01-2012, 20:41

Originally Posted by Markintime

Unfortunately that would add millions to the bill. You'd have to pay for work clothes, tools, safety gear, machinery, transport, full-time staff, administrators, offices in fact everything that would be needed to run a commercial business except you wouldn't be gaining any income and, in effect, you'd be paying JSL for a week's work which would end up well below minimum wage on an hourly basis.

I do feel that there should be compulsory attendance at training sessions and seminars designed to keep them informed of the jobs market and to tie up their time so they find it more difficult to work on the black, those that are, that is.

By 'work' I just mean anything that isn't Jermey Kyle... they can stand shoulder to shoulder in a room with out electricty or windows for 8 hours a day. As long as they aren't drinking, drugging or watching TV for OUR money.