- 09-12-2011, 12:13 #11
- 09-12-2011, 12:34 #12
I won't even pretent to understand how the powers that be arrange contracts. but it seems abit backwards.
where I work, if a customer places and order based on cost, if the project goes over this, the company picks up the difference.
If the project goes beyond the delivery date, the company can cop a fine. And its the same detail if the kit we sold/delivered commisioned phucks up.
So, where the hell to those that that are supposed to know better, find the muppets that agree these contracts?
It stikes me these are bot bright people, and should have been given a plastic bag to play with as a child.'I'll try anything once' -God-
- 09-12-2011, 12:44 #13
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When your customer places an order, does he or she know what they want?Military procurement is full of 'customers' who 'place orders' which are then changed several times throughout the life of the project. Each change adds to costs. To the helicopter example above can be added the Empty Aircraft Carrier disasters, and just about every IT Project you could name.Of course the suppliers/contractors involved are laughing all the way to the bank. They start off with an over high estimate and charge more and more as a succession of officers/leaders/consultants change the spec.I drink champagne when I'm happy and when I'm sad. Sometimes I drink it when I'm alone. When I have company I consider it obligatory. I trifle with it if I'm not hungry and drink it when I am. Otherwise, I never touch it - unless I'm thirsty.
Madame Bollinger, speaking on my behalf.
'It's no good inserting something if you aren't turned on'.
REME WO (Ret'd) on hearing a fuse was needed to make my lights work after changing the bulb.
- 09-12-2011, 12:52 #14
Are any of us really surprised? I know I'm not. Shocked that they pissed away 1 billion pounds (say it slowly, it sounds even worse), but not surprised to hear that they've once again wasted our money.
- 09-12-2011, 13:31 #15
Now imagine a situation where your buyer is also looking to leave your company and work for the vendor once the contract to buy has been signed…
Exhibit A: Snr MOD wonk who declares that a fixed price contract offer to sell us 72 Sikorsky UH-60's with training and support was not as good as the offer Wastelands were offering to sell us 62 Lynx Wildcats.
Once contract to buy 62 Wildcats is signed, leaves MOD and promptly turns up on the board of Wastelands and feigns surprise as the actual cost of Wildcat promptly rockets through the roof leaving us with teenie weenies that cost not far off what a Wokka costs, and in the case of the armies ones, will be armed to the teeth with a single GPMG.Warning, this post contains some flash photography.
- 09-12-2011, 13:43 #16
- 09-12-2011, 13:48 #17
- 09-12-2011, 13:54 #18
if I got to say Mclaran and ask them to build me a super car for £2 million quid they will do so
if half way through building said super car I decide it needs integral flamethrowers and the ability to go off road.
its going to cost extra squillions
mod procurmentOn a Hot morning in cyprus I found the meaning of anger. Fortunataly I was comftably numb.
The RSM and various other NCO's seemed very agitated.
maybe they should look into counselling?
- 09-12-2011, 14:02 #19
- 09-12-2011, 14:12 #20
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- Land of the free (*some restrictions may apply)
To be honest though, Stryker - which is based on LAVIII - is getting an utter pounding in AFG, and the US Army is currently spunking said gazzilions on making them more survivable. If we had used them in Sangin the media would be full of it with more 'coffins on wheels' stories.
The point is - why would you need a wheeled 8x8 vehicle anyway, when we already have a nice golf bag containing Warrior, Mastiff et al?
Let's just face it: The Equipment Programme - for all three services - is just taking far too long, and delivering far too little.
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