- 18-09-2011, 09:50 #1
Army morale plunges to a new low
- 18-09-2011, 10:00 #2
...and yet from the ground on civvy street, I'd say respect for and understanding of the Army (i.e. 'The Army doesn't have the liberty of designating enemies, it fights them') was at an all time high..? So does this mean that most orifices are up their own arrse??
- 18-09-2011, 10:04 #3
Nothing new in this year's CAS report - pretty much says the same each year.
The one issue that does alarm me is the number of Capts leaving. These tend to be the high quality ones who are seeing the writing on the wall and bombing out before getting sucked into the wife, kids, housing trap. The (shared) mess of which i'm a member 3 have PVR'd this year and another one intends to do so shortly.
- 18-09-2011, 10:04 #4
- 18-09-2011, 10:14 #5
- Join Date
- Oct 2007
The theme endures (poor pay, housing and redundancies in the 70's, the moratorium in the 80's, Options in the 90's, pay freezes, allowance reductions and redundancies in the 00's). People come and go, conditions improve then worsen, army grows then reduces - it's called life, and if you stay around along enough the cycle will be repeated. The Army, however, continues to endure.
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- 18-09-2011, 10:15 #6
In the foreword to the report, Lieutenant General Bill Rollo, deputy chief of defence staff (personnel and training) says the armed forces have gone through "challenging times" in 2011 with operations in Afghanistan and Libya while having to contend with a large-scale redundancy programme.
The MOD comment was roughly blamed on being deployed on 2 Operational Deployments, apart from THEM and a handful of logistics/comms bods I wouldn't say Libya can be used as an excuse for bad morale when Afghan and Iraq where at a much higher tempo a few years ago.
It also does not take the brains of a rocket scientist to work out why all the senior Rodneys are rushing for the door either. The pay and pensions they will receive will be of far greater value than the other ranks will receive when brown lettered. The more senior Rodney's will also find it easier in civi life to walk into another equally well paid job. It will be the other ranks that will struggle due to the current economic turbulence that we find ourselves currently in. I would also say that the heads of the Armed Forces seem to speak their minds when they retire, I'm thinking of Mike Jackson, Lord Boyce and Dannant. A quick search on ARRSE show's this thread was doing the rounds in 2007 with morale being at rock bottom and Libya wasn't even on the radar then.
- 18-09-2011, 10:28 #7
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- Sep 2010
- At the join of 4 map sheets
- 18-09-2011, 10:33 #8
CBO, Having served through all the examples you cite, yes, the Army does endure. That perhaps says more about the institution and the people who serve in it than the way in which it is administered by our political masters. The difference this time, I would suggest, is that today's Army has been on operations throughout the last decade and nothing erodes belief and dedication faster than the perception that you are being sacrificed for political expediency. This is, waste and profligacy notwithstanding, the most hardened Army since WW2 and one that (largely) enjoys the support of the populace. It is far more visible than previous generations and is, as a consequence more part of, rather than separate from, the society that it serves. It is also, I would contend, a better educated Army, more vocal, less given to automatic obedience and - critically - as a consequence of hard-won experience - far more jaundiced and critical than it's forebears. All these factors combined present a potential for the destruction of the Army as we know it: perhaps presaged with the outflow of junior officers and SNCOs. you are right; the Army will endure but it will not be the Army that we see now and nor, I fear, will it have either the capability or capacity to serve as this one has done and continues to do.
- 18-09-2011, 10:33 #9
- 18-09-2011, 10:41 #10
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