would you , if ordered, open fire on CIVPOP in the UK

**Stonker** · 07-09-2010, 14:42

Originally Posted by Medicalfool

bloody sunday comes to mind!!!

No soldier was ordered to open fire on that day. That is one thing of which we can be certain. Had such an order been given, think how much worse the impact of that vile day might have been.

**stormtrooper2006** · 07-09-2010, 14:57

Always thought it would be a better way of getting rid of a bunch of rioters " with a belt of 200 rounds, in your own time, go on."

**Kitmarlowe** · 07-09-2010, 15:02

Once upon a time it was perfectly fine and proper for an Officer and a Gentleman to read the riot act to a crowd, order said crowd to disperse within an alloted time and then order 5 rounds rapid and advance with fixed bayonet.

So much simpler and easy to understand......

**Cuddles** · 07-09-2010, 15:04

Originally Posted by Kitmarlowe

Once upon a time it was perfectly fine and proper for an Officer and a Gentleman to read the riot act to a crowd, order said crowd to disperse within an alloted time and then order 5 rounds rapid and advance with fixed bayonet.

So much simpler and easy to understand......

no it wasn't, you needed a magistrate to read the riot Act. Then you could in your own time, go on.

**No_Duff** · 07-09-2010, 15:10

Originally Posted by Stonker

No soldier was ordered to open fire on that day. That is one thing of which we can be certain. Had such an order been given, think how much worse the impact of that vile day might have been.

Maybe had the order to open fire been given and many many more rioters/bombers/gunmen been killed and the Gov't had had the balls to ignore any negative world opinion, there wouldn't have been any more riots etc.

**Cuddles** · 07-09-2010, 15:26

Originally Posted by No_Duff

Maybe had the order to open fire been given and many many more rioters/bombers/gunmen been killed and the Gov't had had the balls to ignore any negative world opinion, there wouldn't have been any more riots etc.

More bombers and gunmen...it seems according to the latest DS solution that NO gunmen or bombers were shot. The government wasn't really in the business of ignoring "negative world opinion" either, more of trying not to be the government which finally saw a full scale civil war erupt in NI wih massive civilian casualties...

**Kitmarlowe** · 07-09-2010, 15:29

Originally Posted by Cuddles

no it wasn't, you needed a magistrate to read the riot Act. Then you could in your own time, go on.

fair enough....Better hunt one down the..

**Stonker** · 07-09-2010, 15:30

Originally Posted by Cuddles

More bombers and gunmen...it seems according to the latest DS solution that NO gunmen or bombers were shot. The government wasn't really in the business of ignoring "negative world opinion" either, more of trying not to be the government which finally saw a full scale civil war erupt in NI wih massive civilian casualties...

You beat me to it.

"Peace through superior firepower" in such a setting is a pipe-dream, and only a fool would think otherwise.

**Dilfor** · 07-09-2010, 15:37

Voted yes, but then realised it said CIVPOP and not CIVPOL.

**crow_bag** · 07-09-2010, 15:57

I would open fire if I was given a lawful command in line with the ROE enforced at the time. I would also fire under my own initiative if I felt it was required and again allowed under the ROE.

People can call me a dullard if they want but this isn't the NAAFI and I have no intention of becoming murdering scum.

**easesprings** · 07-09-2010, 15:57

Oh yes with the state of it at present just getting the keys to the armoury now

**twothreeuptwothreedown** · 07-09-2010, 17:19

Originally Posted by No_Duff

Maybe had the order to open fire been given and many many more rioters/bombers/gunmen been killed and the Gov't had had the balls to ignore any negative world opinion, there wouldn't have been any more riots etc.

Actually, after this incident, there weren't that many more riots.

Strange that eh?

**twothreeuptwothreedown** · 07-09-2010, 17:26

Originally Posted by Stonker

You beat me to it.

"Peace through superior firepower" in such a setting is a pipe-dream, and only a fool would think otherwise.

Peace can only ever be achieved, by the total & utter obliteration of either you, or your enemy.

Anyone that thinks it can be done by the ballot box is a dreamer!

Just look at Norn Iron!!!

They're at it already!

**Stonker** · 07-09-2010, 17:43

Originally Posted by twothreeuptwothreedown

Actually, after this incident, there weren't that many more riots.

Strange that eh?

Utter fantasy.

As late as 1978 the local clowns would spend every summer's afternoon rioting in exactly the same places the shootings took place on Bloody Sunday. We expended the Bde reserve of plastic bullets there more than once that summer.

**Stonker** · 07-09-2010, 17:48

Originally Posted by twothreeuptwothreedown

Just look at Norn Iron!!!

They're at it already!

What do you mean "already"?

They are not "at it already", they are "still at it", as the two communities have been for generations. But now it is once again at a level with which the Police in the province are capable of dealing, unaided by the Army, and civil war is not an imminent prospect.