Originally Posted by spaz

Give it a rest you fucking tool, this thread was quite nicely slipping away into obscurity.

Good point.

Well it looks as if the Labour downside in investing in the banks of 890 bn quid is going to turn into a Tory upside of 30 bn sovs!

Listening to the news this morning even Blair is blaming the oaf Brown for the mess we're in. Now I think that's a bit rich coming from the man who was PM for a decade but the oaf's malicious influence as Chancellor extended far beyond economics.

I'd like to say that I'm enjoying the spectacle of the vermin tearing themselves apart in their leadership contest but so far it seems to be a bit of a damp squib. I'd like to see whatever-her-name is win or that odious lying turd Balls, as I think they best represent their party and will do most to consign it to the dustbin of history where it belongs.

Originally Posted by rgjbloke

If you think Harold Wilson and Tony Blair were communists, you're off your rocker. Try not to write such complete and utter tosh.

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Originally Posted by whitecity

I know, I know. Another champagne socialist trick: run away and hide for a couple of weeks, reappear and grandstand from the soapbox and forget that you look a complete arrse because you've forgotten what you did in your past!

Two weeks holiday in Miami.

Your straw man faux polemic confirms your lack of sustainable argument.

For example: You wish to live in a world where banks have the opportunity to lend as much as they want..
You wish to live in a world where you have the opportunity borrow as much as you want.
You wish to live in a world where you have the opportunity to spend such borrowed money, and not worry about repaying it.
You wish to live in a world where the laws (such as resposible lending protocols) do not apply to you.

But you do not wish to live up to the responsibility of your own actions and feel it is incumbant upon somebody else to shoulder the blame for your own personal irresponsibility.



Talking about forgetting things, the thread is about the Tories blaming Labour for everything, not about the merits or otherwise of the previous cross party agreement on ther deregulation of the Banking sector. Not generally seen as a Socialist idea, really.

Originally Posted by Cuddles

Well it looks as if the Labour downside in investing in the banks of 890 bn quid is going to turn into a Tory upside of 30 bn sovs!

No doubt Smith Square will be pointing this out and blaming it on Labour. ( not. ) White City will be very crioss. I look forward to seeing how he tries to spin out of that.

[pedant] the actual investment was under £100Bn, with contingent liabilities ( = guarantees ) totalling that figure. The analogy I heard was that it was akin to insuring every property in the UK; the total insured liability is gazillions but the actual amounts paid out are vastly smaller.[/pedant]

Originally Posted by Bravo_Bravo

No doubt Smith Square will be pointing this out and blaming it on Labour. ( not. ) White City will be very crioss. I look forward to seeing how he tries to spin out of that.

[pedant] the actual investment was under £100Bn, with contingent liabilities ( = guarantees ) totalling that figure. The analogy I heard was that it was akin to insuring every property in the UK; the total insured liability is gazillions but the actual amounts paid out are vastly smaller.[/pedant]

I did mention the downside. The interesting thing is that Labour opted to go for the "investment" with a possible contingent liability. At a time when banks, who ought to understand investment in banking, wouldn't touch it with a barge-pole!

Originally Posted by lsquared

'Mega top post', thank you 'ACAB'.

Socialism and its derivatives do not work - it has never worked and it never will work. Why? Because the human being is a 'free' spirit; 'freedom' is the primary goal of the human - together with food and water.

Socialism can only exist by use of force and fear.

Socialism is a flawed and corrupt concept, and is a euphemism for the imposition of totalitarian control.

The pretend 'socialism' of the Blair-Brown years of terror and destruction have wrought upon this country a yolk (yoke!) of financial ruin and human misery that will take years and years to rectify.

Wrong, obviously.

Food, water, shelter and security are the primary human wants and to obtain them we band together in social groups, compromising our own short term interests for the benefit of that group thereby enhancing our individual chances of survival.

The freedom you talk about is the freedom to freeze, starve or die from disease.

This giving up of our own selfish interest for the long term gain of being in a successful group is the Socialism you fail to understand.

You are also playing the trick of taking a word you don't like, Socialism, and using it in place of a word no-body likes, Communism, in order to produce some kind of equivalence.

As dishonest and dirty a propagandising trick as you will find.

As for 'years of terror and destruction.....and human misery' I think you need to have a bit of a lie down in a dark room for a while.

Different political parties... same self serving scum populating them.

Does it matter whose babysitting in Westminister anyway? The tossers have abdicated resposibility to Brussels anyway.

So much for the Lisbon Referendum eh Dave?..... W*nkers!

I hope you hadnt forgotten that all politicians are self serving wankers, always will be. There hasnt been a Politician with balls since Gow and Neave were murdered apart from Maggie, she had the biggest set since WSC. lets face it would Broon or Bliar have taken on the junta, attack a prepared and well equipped enemy?
I doubt it!