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Originally Posted by CountryGal

Originally Posted by tropper66

Originally Posted by CountryGal

Originally Posted by tropper66

try doing some research, Read Charlotte Maddison's book "Dressed to kill" gives some insight into women in the front line,

This is a very good book

As somone who reads war books almost for a living it is not a very good book, it is very light and fluffy and as a war diary it is sadly lacking, but it does give some idea of what a woman thinks of working with soldiers even if most of the ones she meets are REMFS appart from the other aircrew, as Widow said she was not in the front line but quite a long way above it, putting girls in combat is I think a big mistake and bound to end in tears when a female gets captured and gangbanged, tortured and skined alive on Al Jazera

Im not sure she meant it as a war book, nor a war diary, it doesnt read that way, what it does read though is how she eventually managed to fit in and win the respect of her male counterparts and how she coped with things differently from how they did. Her personality and mindset come though very clear in the book and its written a lot differently then other accounts of active service.

From the perspective of teh OP query it would be a good book to read.

Well she compressed her three tours into a lot less pages than any of the other pilots who have gone into print with almost all, only writing about a single tour

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Originally Posted by CountryGal

Originally Posted by tropper66

Originally Posted by CountryGal

Originally Posted by tropper66

try doing some research, Read Charlotte Maddison's book "Dressed to kill" gives some insight into women in the front line,

This is a very good book

As somone who reads war books almost for a living it is not a very good book, it is very light and fluffy and as a war diary it is sadly lacking, but it does give some idea of what a woman thinks of working with soldiers even if most of the ones she meets are REMFS appart from the other aircrew, as Widow said she was not in the front line but quite a long way above it, putting girls in combat is I think a big mistake and bound to end in tears when a female gets captured and gangbanged, tortured and skined alive on Al Jazera

Im not sure she meant it as a war book, nor a war diary, it doesnt read that way, what it does read though is how she eventually managed to fit in and win the respect of her male counterparts and how she coped with things differently from how they did. Her personality and mindset come though very clear in the book and its written a lot differently then other accounts of active service.

From the perspective of teh OP query it would be a good book to read.

..and this is the problem. Technology gives the female the same killing capability...from a distance. My suppostion is that women on the battlefield in close quarter combat cannot and will never cut it.

Originally Posted by shagnasty

..and this is the problem. Technology gives the female the same killing capability...from a distance. My suppostion is that women on the battlefield in close quarter combat cannot and will never cut it.

But the Feminsts cant accept that men are actually better at something!

Then again, the likelyhood of someone like Harriet Harman finding herself in a close quarter bayonet fight with a very angry 6ft bloke is very unlikely indeed!

During Ww2 the Russians found that women were even better than men in some skills where techno;igy gave them the edge pilots and tank crews, but strangly the also used them as snipers to very good effect. Lyudmila Pavichenko killed over 189 Germans during her time as a sniper

But I still think its a bad Idea

Originally Posted by shagnasty

Originally Posted by Gravelbelly

Originally Posted by shagnasty

Look into recent history when the IDF put women in harms way during the Yom Kippur war. After several severe reverses where Israeli positions were overrun they made the decision to keep women away from the frontline. Nuf said!

Myth, and busted. The IDF hadn't had women in combat roles apart from a few in 1948 (certainly none in the 1973 war as you suggest- the Bar-Lev line got rolled up with just blokes involved). However, in the last decade they've opened up their artillery and armoured corps to women. They've also got a light role / COIN specialist bn with women, but I can't remember the unit name...

Tell that to the women who were caught ...raped and murdered.

http://www.usamhi.army.mil/USAWC/Par...%20creveld.pdf

I'll believe the Israeli military historian, thanks. There were a few women killed in the Sinai, but they weren't combat troops. Note that the paper was written in 1992; the IDF got rid of its equivalent of the WRAC in 2001, and that the name of that mixed COIN infantry unit I mentioned is the Caracal battalion.

Women in the frontline?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

Originally Posted by tropper66

During Ww2 the Russians found that women were even better than men in some skills where techno;igy gave them the edge pilots and tank crews, but strangly the also used them as snipers to very good effect. Lyudmila Pavichenko killed over 189 Germans during her time as a sniper

But I still think its a bad Idea

AGREED it is a bad idea....and putting Soviet propaganda aside...it still proves my point. Women, given the tool can kill...at a distance. But name me any army that ever put women into the attack in any numbers in a close quarter battle ...then I'll back down.

You can go back to the English shield wall of Roman times..Ghenghis Khans raids..The Western Front...The Pacific War 1944-45....Korea..The Falklands ..Iraq... Afghanistan....Just a few from history. Name me one battle where women in combat were the decisive factor?

..and don't give me that bollocks that they were never given the chance...they could have volunteered , couldn't they?