Originally Posted by Tom9748

Originally Posted by Recce19

So from the responces so far, I take it you are all in favour of reduced maintainance of the railway infrastucture. Great way to improve safety.

So when these jobs are lost and the engineering works are cancelled, due to lack of maintainance crews, how safe do you think your travel will be? It will lead to more disruption, as emergency engineering becomes the norm and as a result, ticket prices will no doubt rise, as this is more expensive.

As a train driver, I would not want to drive a route that I knew was even more poorly maintained than it is now.

Suddenly all went quiet when you worded it like that mate.Like it.

Perhaps those considering going on strike should consider what their lives would be like if as a result of striking,they ended up on the dole.Unemployment is rising,those joining the dole queue are likely to be there some time,especially if a prospective employer knows their previous position come to an end as a result of a strike.

This is especially so in the case of the BA cabin crew.

Let's have lots of strikes that bgger up the public between now and the election so that Brown gets blamed for them. Roll on unburied dead lying about, rat-infested piles of garbage etc etc. The catch at the moment is that the fundamental blls that Brown has made of the economy does not impinge on a lot of people who are still going about their daily lives as if the present shambles is just something in the newspapers.

Originally Posted by Le_addeur_noir

Originally Posted by Tom9748

Originally Posted by Recce19

So from the responces so far, I take it you are all in favour of reduced maintainance of the railway infrastucture. Great way to improve safety.

So when these jobs are lost and the engineering works are cancelled, due to lack of maintainance crews, how safe do you think your travel will be? It will lead to more disruption, as emergency engineering becomes the norm and as a result, ticket prices will no doubt rise, as this is more expensive.

As a train driver, I would not want to drive a route that I knew was even more poorly maintained than it is now.

Suddenly all went quiet when you worded it like that mate.Like it.

Perhaps those considering going on strike should consider what their lives would be like if as a result of striking,they ended up on the dole.Unemployment is rising,those joining the dole queue are likely to be there some time,especially if a prospective employer knows their previous position come to an end as a result of a strike.

This is especially so in the case of the BA cabin crew.

When HR staff whine about changing of work practices all we hear is whining then threats of strikes, there's always a domino effect in relation to all these proposed strikes, the worst is poor management & as its been already stated with unemployment as it stands the 'dangle carrot' or strike attitude can also backfire!

I understand Train drivers attitude towards poor maintenance & safety issue's but we have replacement bus services for these issue's although not ideal it does the job, companies will always increase fares in certain areas' & lower in others,

Summer of discontent? some want to be glad they have a job at least!

Originally Posted by dangerousdave

Originally Posted by Recce19

So from the responces so far, I take it you are all in favour of reduced maintainance of the railway infrastucture. Great way to improve safety.

So when these jobs are lost and the engineering works are cancelled, due to lack of maintainance crews, how safe do you think your travel will be? It will lead to more disruption, as emergency engineering becomes the norm and as a result, ticket prices will no doubt rise, as this is more expensive.

As a train driver, I would not want to drive a route that I knew was even more poorly maintained than it is now.

well driving a train isn't rocket science is it - you only have to go in a straight line and stay awake from boredom to stop at the station on time. Yet you seem to think we all owe you a living and a high salary at £30k plus a year for a job that a child could do. So am sorry if you throw your toys out just coz you dont get a pay rise this year - i don't give a fcuk and couldnt care less if you had to sign on the dole next week coz you didnt wanna work under such harsh conditions having to sit in a warm cab drinking a flask of coffee. - if it was my choice, i'd sack the lot of you and give the jobs to people who acually want to work and take pride in just having a job during the current climate :P

Well, congratulations into being totally ignorant to what a driving a train actually entails. On top of that, you fail to grasp that I do not live, let alone work in the UK.

As for 'you seem to think we all you owe a living', who the fuck do you think you are? Concidering that every peak time journey with a 12 carriage train. has approximatelt 1000 passengers on board, I would expect the person at the front to be well paid. After all, your lives are in his hands. The driver is also continually monitored and assessed, with a formal test; oral, written and practical, taken at least once per year - this lasts a whole day.

'Sack the lot of us', well done batman! You have just brought the UK rail system to a grinding halt for a minimum of 10 months...actually it will be longer, as all new entrants first have to take psychometric tests that last a day and usually have a 70 - 80% failure rate.

As for throwing my toys out of the pram, please show me where I did so. All I highlighted was safety concerns, but in your world money comes first obviously.

Originally Posted by Recce19

So from the responces so far, I take it you are all in favour of reduced maintainance of the railway infrastucture. Great way to improve safety.

So when these jobs are lost and the engineering works are cancelled, due to lack of maintainance crews, how safe do you think your travel will be? It will lead to more disruption, as emergency engineering becomes the norm and as a result, ticket prices will no doubt rise, as this is more expensive.

As a train driver, I would not want to drive a route that I knew was even more poorly maintained than it is now.

How DARE YOU!

We demand the right to post angrily without having any real understanding of the strike, the reasons etc.

Soldiers can't strike.

Bloody [either trying to make the railways safer OR trying to get paid more for less work]* scumbag strikers.

String em all up that is what I say.

I suggest that until Recce apologises for asking us to consider that we may not know the issues we should strike by not using this thread.


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Originally Posted by Recce19

Originally Posted by dangerousdave

Originally Posted by Recce19

So from the responces so far, I take it you are all in favour of reduced maintainance of the railway infrastucture. Great way to improve safety.

So when these jobs are lost and the engineering works are cancelled, due to lack of maintainance crews, how safe do you think your travel will be? It will lead to more disruption, as emergency engineering becomes the norm and as a result, ticket prices will no doubt rise, as this is more expensive.

As a train driver, I would not want to drive a route that I knew was even more poorly maintained than it is now.

well driving a train isn't rocket science is it - you only have to go in a straight line and stay awake from boredom to stop at the station on time. Yet you seem to think we all owe you a living and a high salary at £30k plus a year for a job that a child could do. So am sorry if you throw your toys out just coz you dont get a pay rise this year - i don't give a fcuk and couldnt care less if you had to sign on the dole next week coz you didnt wanna work under such harsh conditions having to sit in a warm cab drinking a flask of coffee. - if it was my choice, i'd sack the lot of you and give the jobs to people who acually want to work and take pride in just having a job during the current climate :P

Well, congratulations into being totally ignorant to what a driving a train actually entails. On top of that, you fail to grasp that I do not live, let alone work in the UK.

As for 'you seem to think we all you owe a living', who the fuck do you think you are? Concidering that every peak time journey with a 12 carriage train. has approximatelt 1000 passengers on board, I would expect the person at the front to be well paid. After all, your lives are in his hands. The driver is also continually monitored and assessed, with a formal test; oral, written and practical, taken at least once per year - this lasts a whole day.

'Sack the lot of us', well done batman! You have just brought the UK rail system to a grinding halt for a minimum of 10 months...actually it will be longer, as all new entrants first have to take psychometric tests that last a day and usually have a 70 - 80% failure rate.

As for throwing my toys out of the pram, please show me where I did so. All I highlighted was safety concerns, but in your world money comes first obviously.

I get the feeling Dangerous Dave could be affected by the proposed strike and is a bit upset about it.

Originally Posted by Bazzinho1977

I suggest that until Recce apologises for asking us to consider that we may not know the issues we should strike by not using this thread.

I'm going to boycott your boycott. That'll learn you.

railways have bob crowe well known for militantcy.
so someobdy with a bit of common sense would look at the plans make sure every i was dotted and t was crossed and then get the union invovled.
look mate with have x amount of money we won't be getting any more this is our solution can you do any better.

because fighting the workforce isn't going to be very productive

but then blaming the unions is always a good move

Originally Posted by angular

Originally Posted by Bazzinho1977

I suggest that until Recce apologises for asking us to consider that we may not know the issues we should strike by not using this thread.

I'm going to boycott your boycott. That'll learn you.

Well that is alright - as long as it doesn't teach me, I am not bovvered.

Originally Posted by angular

Originally Posted by Bazzinho1977

I suggest that until Recce apologises for asking us to consider that we may not know the issues we should strike by not using this thread.

I'm going to boycott your boycott. That'll learn you.

SCAB! Call the flying pickets!