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    Royal Navy, take note...

    This is how you are meant to act:

    Danish troops 'storm ship captured by Somali pirates'

    Danish special forces have stormed a ship captured by Somali pirates and freed 25 crew members, an EU naval spokesman said in Nairobi.

    Cdr John Harbour told the Associated Press news agency it was the first time a warship had intervened after pirates boarded a vessel.

    Troops in inflatable dinghies moved in after a distress signal from the Antigua and Barbuda-flagged Ariella.

    It is not clear if the pirates left the ship before the troops arrived.

    The special forces, who set out from a Danish warship in the area, scaled the side of the ship and freed the 25 crew members, who had locked themselves in a secure room, Cdr Harbour said.

    Troops were continuing to search the vessel for the pirates, he added...
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8500611.stm
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    Re: Royal Navy, take note...

    Quote Originally Posted by Recce19
    This is how you are meant to act:

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    It is not clear if the pirates left the ship before the troops arrived.
    fcuk off
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    Re: Royal Navy, take note...

    Bit of a different situation to the Chandlers:

    "Warships typically do not intervene in hijackings because of the danger that crews may be hit by crossfire, the spokesman pointed out.

    But forces were able to intervene in this case because the ship had registered with naval authorities, was travelling along a recommended transit corridor and was part of a group transit, ensuring the ships had a helicopter within 30 minutes' reaction time."

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    Re: Royal Navy, take note...

    How is this story related in any way to the RN and the old couple that got kidnapped (the point of your badly thought out post, I assume?)

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    Re: Royal Navy, take note...

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate
    How is this story related in any way to the RN and the old couple that got kidnapped (the point of your badly thought out post, I assume?)
    Presumably by contrasting the way the Danes got stuck in and we (allegedly) sat back and watched.

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    Re: Royal Navy, take note...

    Quote Originally Posted by msr
    Quote Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate
    How is this story related in any way to the RN and the old couple that got kidnapped (the point of your badly thought out post, I assume?)
    Presumably by contrasting the way the Danes got stuck in and we (allegedly) sat back and watched.

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    That's pretty much it. However, it wasn't me who brought the old couple into it. I was more thinking of the general piracy, rather than individual cases.

    I know the RN are tied by their R.O.E. and maybe this could highlight a better way of dealing with the problem.
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    Re: Royal Navy, take note...

    Quote Originally Posted by msr
    Presumably by contrasting the way the Danes got stuck in and we (allegedly) sat back and watched.

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    The report posted says that SF secured the ship - I may be wrong but I don't think the RFA are famous for their SF training.

    It also says that the ship was in a registered convoy and so a warship with helicopter was close by - not the situation with that couple.

    Personally if it was me being kidnapped by pirates the last thing I'd want is some untrained, trigger happy sailor brassing the boat they were taking me away in with a Minigun. I definitely wouldn't want untrained sailors, whether RN or RFA, attempting to board my ship and rescue me since it's not all that likely to end well.

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    Re: Royal Navy, take note...

    Not surprising that it was the Danes. It is my understanding that their naval head, Rear Admiral Wang has expressed concerns about the piracy issues.
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    Re: Royal Navy, take note...

    Royal Navy take note of what? From the BBC website:

    Nato troops free ship off Somalia after pirate attack

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    Danish special forces serving as part of Nato's counter-piracy operation have freed the crew of a cargo ship boarded by pirates off Somalia. They moved in after being assured by the captain that the crew had locked themselves in a safe room, a Nato spokeswoman told the BBC. It seems the pirates escaped to their boat before the troops arrived but the 180m (590ft) vessel was being searched...

    Cmdr Dan B Termansen, commander of the Absalon, said that the crew had reported seeing a pirate firing an automatic weapon aboard their ship. "I don't know if he jumped overboard when he saw the helicopter or later when he saw the special forces," he added. "We searched the ship for hours and didn't find anybody."

    However, Cmdr Mikael Bill, head of the Danish Admiralty in western Denmark, said he did not believe there had been any pirates aboard the ship when the special forces arrived. "It is our clear understanding that there were no hijackers on board but our helicopter had deterred an action," he said.
    Not quite the daring exploit it first appeared but well done to them, anyway. Every bit helps.
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    Re: Royal Navy, take note...

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate
    Quote Originally Posted by msr
    Presumably by contrasting the way the Danes got stuck in and we (allegedly) sat back and watched.

    MSR
    The report posted says that SF secured the ship - I may be wrong but I don't think the RFA are famous for their SF training.

    It also says that the ship was in a registered convoy and so a warship with helicopter was close by - not the situation with that couple.

    Personally if it was me being kidnapped by pirates the last thing I'd want is some untrained, trigger happy sailor brassing the boat they were taking me away in with a Minigun. I definitely wouldn't want untrained sailors, whether RN or RFA, attempting to board my ship and rescue me since it's not all that likely to end well.
    Then again if I said to the wife lets chuck it all in and buy a boat and go sailing
    Sailing round the coast of Somallia probably wouldn't even be in the top 200 destinations

    Silly old tw4ts deserve everything they get
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    As the BBC pointed out, she 'bravely remained in London beside her husband' during the war.
    This contrasts sharply with the actions of my grandfather who, on the declaration of war immediately left his wife and children and pissed off, first to France, then North Africa, Italy, France (again) and finally Germany.
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    Re: Royal Navy, take note...

    Quote Originally Posted by the_boy_syrup

    Then again if I said to the wife lets chuck it all in and buy a boat and go sailing
    Sailing round the coast of Somallia probably wouldn't even be in the top 200 destinations

    Silly old tw4ts deserve everything they get
    To be fair, it was hardly round the coast of Somalia: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multime...-1_635317a.jpg
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    Re: Royal Navy, take note...

    Anybody want to go halves for a minigun?
    http://www.somalicruises.com/

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    Re: Royal Navy, take note...

    Quote Originally Posted by the_boy_syrup
    Then again if I said to the wife lets chuck it all in and buy a boat and go sailing

    Sailing round the coast of Somallia probably wouldn't even be in the top 200 destinations

    Silly old tw4ts deserve everything they get
    Unfair. The Chandlers made every effort to avoid going within 1,000 nm of Puntland, the most dangerous bit of the Somali Coast (Daily Mail link):

    [align=center][/align]

    The Seychelles, where the couple was hijacked, are the same distance from the Somali coast as Majorca is from Dover (700 nm). Even Iceland is only 450 nm from mainland UK. Incidentally, between Somalia and Tanzania where the couple was bound, there's a 'little' country called Kenya although it's hidden by a label. When kidnapped, they were heading south west towards the Amirante Islands, not due west as indicated on the chart. Considering the tens of thousands of merchant ships, cruise ships, coasters, dhows, trawlers, motor cruisers, yachts and other vessels that ply the Indian Ocean each day, their odds of escaping intact were probably better than if they'd had a night out in the West End. They were just exceptionally unlucky on this occasion.

    If you are ever interested in sailing in the Seychelles, Sunsail is offering bareboat and skippered yacht charter holidays in this ‘paradise on earth’ (link)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunsail website
    ...In the unspoilt paradise of the Seychelles, our only Indian Ocean location, cruise protected inner islands from one perfect anchorage to the next.

    ...Security

    The Seychelles is a friendly and peaceful country where crime is rare. You are however advised to lock your boat or car and keep a watchful eye on belongings left on the beach when swimming.
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    Re: Royal Navy, take note...

    Quote Originally Posted by TASO09
    Anybody want to go halves for a minigun?
    http://www.somalicruises.com/
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    Re: Royal Navy, take note...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunservin
    Quote Originally Posted by the_boy_syrup
    Then again if I said to the wife lets chuck it all in and buy a boat and go sailing

    Sailing round the coast of Somallia probably wouldn't even be in the top 200 destinations

    Silly old tw4ts deserve everything they get
    Unfair. The Chandlers made every effort to avoid going within 1,000 nm of Puntland, the most dangerous bit of the Somali Coast (Daily Mail link):

    [align=center][/align]

    The Seychelles, where the couple was hijacked, are the same distance from the Somali coast as Majorca is from Dover (700 nm). Even Iceland is only 450 nm from mainland UK. Incidentally, between Somalia and Tanzania where the couple was bound, there's a 'little' country called Kenya although it's hidden by a label. When kidnapped, they were heading south west towards the Amirante Islands, not due west as indicated on the chart. Considering the tens of thousands of merchant ships, cruise ships, coasters, dhows, trawlers, motor cruisers, yachts and other vessels that ply the Indian Ocean each day, their odds of escaping intact were probably better than if they'd had a night out in the West End. They were just exceptionally unlucky on this occasion.

    If you are ever interested in sailing in the Seychelles, Sunsail is offering bareboat and skippered yacht charter holidays in this ‘paradise on earth’ (link)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunsail website
    ...In the unspoilt paradise of the Seychelles, our only Indian Ocean location, cruise protected inner islands from one perfect anchorage to the next.

    ...Security

    The Seychelles is a friendly and peaceful country where crime is rare. You are however advised to lock your boat or car and keep a watchful eye on belongings left on the beach when swimming.
    I stand corrected apologies

    I shall write to my M.P. demanding the S.A.S are despatched straight away
    We should remember the tremendous contribution of the Queen Mother to the war effort:
    As the BBC pointed out, she 'bravely remained in London beside her husband' during the war.
    This contrasts sharply with the actions of my grandfather who, on the declaration of war immediately left his wife and children and pissed off, first to France, then North Africa, Italy, France (again) and finally Germany.
    The shame will always be with us.

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