Thread: Wanna be a druggie? Get a job!

Great, the government have come up with another cunning plan to try to make us think they are fit to govern us in time for the next election.

Unemployed Londoners will be the first in the country to face drug tests under government plans to get people off benefits and back to work.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-drugs-test.do

We all know what will happen, the jobless will scream 'human rights' and the poor civil servants working in the Job Centres will back down for fear of being sued.

Not everyone who claims benefits is lazy don’t forget! Without my income support I would no longer be able to pay for my weed so this is quite bad news!


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Hmm love the comments above. Strange this as I am not aware of any moves to increase funding for the health provision when these people are 'discovered' by the job centre staff. If they have to provide urine samples, they will fetch someone elses, job centre staff are not trained to look after drug users. Oral swab tests are expensive up to about £15 each.

You're not saying that this is another government idea that hasn't been thought out are you Jarrod?

Wash your mouth out with soap and water, perish the thought.

Originally Posted by leveller

You're not saying that this is another government idea that hasn't been thought out are you Jarrod?

Wash your mouth out with soap and water, perish the thought.

You know I just might be. Oh and oral swab tests, people can just hold them between their teeth so no saliva catches on the sponge. What are they going to do force them to do the test? They can just say they have a very dry mouth - fcuking idiots.
I did a presentation to job centre staff, told them to phone us and we'd give the people an appointment and a methadone prescription that day.
The govt. is not quite sure what it wants though and we know the best way to get heroin users abstinant is long-term methadone meaintenance. When the quango that dishes out the money got worried about a Tory govt. they started spouting abstinance and treatment exits. Quick detoxes are a waste of money, poor outcomes and people relapse and cost more money in crime and hospital admissions and GP appt's.

What about prescription heroin? Good or bad idea?

"Jobseekers will be expected to declare whether they have a drug issue when they are interviewed.
Anyone who does not declare a problem and is suspected of misusing drugs will be asked to have an assessment.
If they refuse, their benefits could be withdrawn for up to 26 weeks. "

Immediate consequence increase in shoplifting, increase in DSS "Emergency loans" for the drug users to feed their children (just imagine the headlines of "junkie's child forced to starve by State!"

What a load of unthought out bo**ocks!

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Originally Posted by leveller

What about prescription heroin? Good or bad idea?

http://www.addictiontoday.org/addict...-research.html

They c0cked up the research! Madness. Diamorphine (Heroin) prescribing is possibly a good idea, however after chucking a shed-load of money on the trial it's pretty useless as it's been done poorly.
Diamorphine is a short acting drug and no doubt patients will need to keep topping up and increasing doses. Methadone is a very long acting drug and so steady plasma levels once reached, patients don't tend to often need more.
Prescribing diamorphine in the way the trial was done means patients have to go to a clinic/centre to inject and would be very onerous on them if they work. Prof. Strang is a clever chap i've no idea why this was messed up. Given enough Methadone patients do well and it's cheap. Diamorphine and the supervision of it would be very expensive and we couldn't have people wondering around flogging the stuff, God knows how many it would kill.

the thing that really kills is rehab one chance state funded unfortunatly all the research proves it may take 3 or 4 attempts before it sticks

Originally Posted by tom_dkg

"Jobseekers will be expected to declare whether they have a drug issue when they are interviewed.
Anyone who does not declare a problem and is suspected of misusing drugs will be asked to have an assessment.
If they refuse, their benefits could be withdrawn for up to 26 weeks. "

Immediate consequence increase in shoplifting, increase in DSS "Emergency loans" for the drug users to feed their children (just imagine the headlines of "junkie's child forced to starve by State!"

What a load of unthought out bo**ocks!

Why are people who are not medical professionals getting involved in health care? We've got enough snooping. It's simple make everyone work unless they are seriously ill. Work for the unemployment benefit. It's just to look like something is being done and in reality money will be wasted doing not a great deal. We'll just end up with a new tier of staff in job centres, they should send the money to the drug services and GP's and make it a condition that people can start on prescribed Methadone immediately. The patients can start work 2-3 weeks later when the Methadone dose is right.

Originally Posted by brighton hippy

the thing that really kills is rehab one chance state funded unfortunatly all the research proves it may take 3 or 4 attempts before it sticks

Yup they get discharged with no tolerance to opiates and die when they use. Rehab lines the pockets of private companies and fake charities who run these services.

Thanks I was just curious. The thought I had was the selling of prescription H, but I just wondered If the head on approach had been looked at.

Cheers

Originally Posted by leveller

Thanks I was just curious. The thought I had was the selling of prescription H, but I just wondered If the head on approach had been looked at.

Cheers

I think the key is getting people on Methadone or Buprenorphine very quickly and give sufficient doses to stop people having to use Heroin.
It would simply be too expensive to prescribe Diamorphine if it was supervised. I cannot imagine their ever being any political will to do so and health wise i'd rather people were not injecting drugs. I also think that people would try to be very chaotic to 'deserve' a prescription of Heroin, when simpler/cheaper things like Methadone would work.