Originally Posted by Semper_Flexibilis

Originally Posted by gloworm

I cannot believe I am reading that people actually want the 'Rags' to have Nukes, really? I hope to God this is a WAH on their part

Pakistan has loads of the things

I know and the whole mentality of the people in that region is at odds with being a Nuclear power. We may not be able to un-invent the things but we do need to stop proliferation.

...about as much chance of that as of knitting fog mind!

Originally Posted by parapauk

Originally Posted by Semper_Flexibilis

Originally Posted by TopBadger

Originally Posted by Bugsy

I'd like to see Iran with a few nukes

You are starking ravers...

Nope…

The problem in the ME is that Israel courtesy of it's nukes can act and do what it wants safe behind it's nuclear umbrella.

Now, if some of the other side had nukes, they'd have to start acting like grown ups and abiding by other peoples national sovereignity and respecting UN Security Council Resolutions.

Yes because I'm sure Israel would have a massive change of heart over the Palestinian territories under threat of Iranian nukes...

Put down the Chomsky/Fisk/Blum and join the real world.

Oh dear paperpuke, you do live in a strange world were you think posting obfuscation and wibble makes you intelligent.

Please explain why Israel hasn't attacked Saudi Arabia for instance that funds so much Islamic militantism? Could it be something to do with the CSS-2's they have and the open secret they can have pakistani warheads on demand to arm them?

Originally Posted by gloworm

Originally Posted by Semper_Flexibilis

Originally Posted by gloworm

I cannot believe I am reading that people actually want the 'Rags' to have Nukes, really? I hope to God this is a WAH on their part

Pakistan has loads of the things

I know and the whole mentality of the people in that region is at odds with being a Nuclear power. We may not be able to un-invent the things but we do need to stop proliferation.

...about as much chance of that as of knitting fog mind!

Well, the fact that India and Pakistan both have nukes seems to have stopped the pair of them having at it at regular intervals.

Nukes tend to make people sit up and pay attention.

Originally Posted by Semper_Flexibilis

Originally Posted by parapauk

Originally Posted by Semper_Flexibilis

Originally Posted by TopBadger

Originally Posted by Bugsy

I'd like to see Iran with a few nukes

You are starking ravers...

Nope…

The problem in the ME is that Israel courtesy of it's nukes can act and do what it wants safe behind it's nuclear umbrella.

Now, if some of the other side had nukes, they'd have to start acting like grown ups and abiding by other peoples national sovereignity and respecting UN Security Council Resolutions.

Yes because I'm sure Israel would have a massive change of heart over the Palestinian territories under threat of Iranian nukes...

Put down the Chomsky/Fisk/Blum and join the real world.

Oh dear paperpuke, you do live in a strange world were you think posting obfuscation and wibble makes you intelligent.

Please explain why Israel hasn't attacked Saudi Arabia for instance that funds so much Islamic militantism? Could it be something to do with the CSS-2's they have and the open secret they can have pakistani warheads on demand to arm them?

Er, because Saudi is a de-facto US protectorate? And even if did want to attack Saudi, would the best plan not be to take out the missiles in their fixed silos to prevent a counterstrike using them?

Originally Posted by Semper_Flexibilis

Originally Posted by gloworm

Originally Posted by Semper_Flexibilis

Originally Posted by gloworm

I cannot believe I am reading that people actually want the 'Rags' to have Nukes, really? I hope to God this is a WAH on their part

Pakistan has loads of the things

I know and the whole mentality of the people in that region is at odds with being a Nuclear power. We may not be able to un-invent the things but we do need to stop proliferation.

...about as much chance of that as of knitting fog mind!

Well, the fact that India and Pakistan both have nukes seems to have stopped the pair of them having at it at regular intervals.

Nukes tend to make people sit up and pay attention.

They've stopped?

Originally Posted by gloworm

Originally Posted by Semper_Flexibilis

Originally Posted by gloworm

Originally Posted by Semper_Flexibilis

Originally Posted by gloworm

I cannot believe I am reading that people actually want the 'Rags' to have Nukes, really? I hope to God this is a WAH on their part

Pakistan has loads of the things

I know and the whole mentality of the people in that region is at odds with being a Nuclear power. We may not be able to un-invent the things but we do need to stop proliferation.

...about as much chance of that as of knitting fog mind!

Well, the fact that India and Pakistan both have nukes seems to have stopped the pair of them having at it at regular intervals.

Nukes tend to make people sit up and pay attention.

They've stopped?

Pretty much after both sides got soiled pants when it occurred to them what a war would mean with nukes.

Originally Posted by OldSnowy

As is often the case, I stand amazed and saddened by the level of anti-US and anti-Israel sentiment in the UK.

I believe it's important to differentiate between genuine anti-Septic or anti-Israel sentiments and vehement objection to the policies that both countries pursue. If it wasn't for the intransigence of the Israelis the conflict with the Palestinians could be long done and dusted. They're no nearer their lunatic dream of a Greater Israel now than they were when they illegally founded their country on Palestinian soil. So why not make a genuine contribution to world peace and accept a dual-state solution? Why be so unreasonably stubborn about it?

MsG

Originally Posted by Bugsy

I'm sure that other Middle East countries will then tool up and force the Israelis to wind their necks in and agree to a two-state solution. It's a win-win situation for world peace, I reckon.

MsG

Odd stuff I've read, may have been the Arab press, can't remember says the other ME countries are afraid of Iran becoming the regional power and would be only too happy for it not to have nukes, no way is it the case of all Arabs vs Israel & the US that it's played out to be in the media.

Originally Posted by mac1

Originally Posted by Bugsy

I'm sure that other Middle East countries will then tool up and force the Israelis to wind their necks in and agree to a two-state solution. It's a win-win situation for world peace, I reckon.

MsG

Odd stuff I've read, may have been the Arab press, can't remember says the other ME countries are afraid of Iran becoming the regional power and would be only too happy for it not to have nukes, no way is it the case of all Arabs vs Israel & the US that it's played out to be in the media.

Probably because the Iranians are not Arabs ?

The Russians sent a snotty note when one of their ships was damaged during the 1980s Iran/Iraq war. The response from the Clerics can be paraphrased as " First we will deal with the Ba'Athist unbelievers, then the heretic (Gulf) Arabs...you, the godless, are next."

Originally Posted by Taffnp

When Petraeus says they have considered the what if's does that mean all of them ?

Is it just a simple flow chart - Iran fires back/Iran does not

Armoured dinnerjacket needs taking out and replacing with a more moderate leader also the nuclear facilities need disabling.

To launch a mass airstrike would only unite the people and turn them against the west. The civil unrest option should be exploited until he is overthrown and new democracy installed

Totally agree with your summation sir. Replace the mutha with someone who is popular with his people and neighbouring countries but do it from within. I'm quite sure there are Western powers actively working within Iran borders to stir the sh1t, possibly a bigger spoon is needed? And someone to take on the mantle of malleting the offending Mr DinnerJacket.