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**HectortheInspector** · 12-01-2010, 14:13

Originally Posted by jumpinjarhead

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Excuse me septics.
Please could you bomb Iran and Israel?

That way maybe you could keep everybody happy?

Request duly noted. Anyone else before we leave?

If you do Indonesia, Iceland, Ireland and Italy, you will have finished most of the I's and can go on to the 'J's'.

I wouldn't get too carried away though. You might want to save some for Venezuala, which after all, is a bit closer to home, so you can probably do them and then get home in time for tea.

**codbutt** · 12-01-2010, 14:26

Judging by today's news about an Iranian scientist getting on an exploding motorbike, they may well have just started.

**jumpinjarhead** · 12-01-2010, 16:06

Originally Posted by codbutt

Judging by today's news about an Iranian scientist getting on an exploding motorbike, they may well have just started.

Sounds like a good products liability suit against Vespa.

**ghost_us** · 12-01-2010, 18:08

Originally Posted by Bugsy

Originally Posted by OldSnowy

As is often the case, I stand amazed and saddened by the level of anti-US and anti-Israel sentiment in the UK.

I believe it's important to differentiate between genuine anti-Septic or anti-Israel sentiments and vehement objection to the policies that both countries pursue. If it wasn't for the intransigence of the Israelis the conflict with the Palestinians could be long done and dusted. They're no nearer their lunatic dream of a Greater Israel now than they were when they illegally founded their country on Palestinian soil. So why not make a genuine contribution to world peace and accept a dual-state solution? Why be so unreasonably stubborn about it?

MsG

So wait a minute. Where does the Hamas charter come into this? In order for Israel to comply, they need to cease to exist. I don't know about you, but that's not intransigence in my book. That's called survival.

The intransigence comes from the Hamas end where no deal is acceptable, this is further shown in the split between Hamas and Fatah. They can't even get along with themselves, let alone Israel.

You are anti-american and anti-Israel simply because you do not balance your argument with anything that remotely resembles acceptance of either state. You call Israel "an illegal state" that they founded. Um, you mean that *you* founded. Israel would not exist had it not been for Britain. Blame the US all you want for supporting Israel, but blame yourself for it's inception.

Hamas does not want a duel state, they do not want Israel to exist, period. I suspect you share this vision. Maybe you watch their childrens tv programming too (Stab the jew mouse in the head is one of my favs).

**devilish** · 12-01-2010, 18:19

Bogsy, just how was the war in Afg a bad thing?

Didn't the main instigator of the 9/11 attacks train and recruit from there? And before you start, I know they were from Saudi but they trained in Afg with the Talibans full backing.

I'd suggest that any Country who harbour and assist terrorist/terrorism are fair game in this new world we live in. In fact I even think your bogtrotting mates sh1t bricks when they realised they may be on the"wanted list".

**Bugsy** · 12-01-2010, 18:50

Originally Posted by ghost_us

So wait a minute. Where does the Hamas charter come into this? In order for Israel to comply, they need to cease to exist. I don't know about you, but that's not intransigence in my book. That's called survival.

The intransigence comes from the Hamas end where no deal is acceptable, this is further shown in the split between Hamas and Fatah. They can't even get along with themselves, let alone Israel.

The question is why do Hamas and Fatah exist at all? If the Israelis hadn’t been so stubbornly adamant that they’ll accept nothing but a Greater Israel devoid of Palestinians, then a workable solution could have been achieved decades ago.

Originally Posted by ghost_us

You are anti-american and anti-Israel simply because you do not balance your argument with anything that remotely resembles acceptance of either state. You call Israel "an illegal state" that they founded. Um, you mean that *you* founded. Israel would not exist had it not been for Britain. Blame the US all you want for supporting Israel, but blame yourself for it's inception.

Hamas does not want a duel state, they do not want Israel to exist, period. I suspect you share this vision. Maybe you watch their childrens tv programming too (Stab the jew mouse in the head is one of my favs).

Just where do you get all this nonsense? You accuse me of being anti-American and anti-Israel, but you offer no proof. Of course, that may be your opinion, and you're entitled to it, in spite of evidence to the contrary. But label it as such and not as some sort of fundamental and immutable fact. It's not.

I've said all along that only a two-state agreement will bring some sort of peace to the region. That includes full acceptance of the right of the state of Israel to exist. Where did I ever give any sort of indication that I had the opposite view? Or did you just decide to include that to test whether I’d notice?

As far as “me” being responsible for the foundation of Israel: if you look carefully at my avatar, you’ll see a very subtle clue whence I hail. And it’s not the UK.

When the British surrendered the Palestinian Mandate, they handed the country (including all the McTaggart forts) back to the Palestinians. A subsequent UN Council Resolution divided the country up between the Israelis and the Palestinians. There was nothing in it about annexing the whole of Palestine.

Just because I’m anti-Israeli policy vis-a-vie the Palestinians, doesn’t mean that I’m anti-Israel – something that I've tried to point out on numerous occasions, but which seems to have escaped you.

But now a question for you: just what’s stopping the Israelis trying to hammer out some sort of two-state solution with the Palestinians? After, literally, decades of war and strife, it must be clear to even the most intractable that the Israeli solution isn't working, so why not attempt to come to some sort of compromise? Surely a lasting peace is worth that.

MsG

**LEGZ30** · 12-01-2010, 19:00

Originally Posted by Bugsy

But now a question for you: just what’s stopping the Israelis trying to hammer out some sort of two-state solution with the Palestinians?

The Palestinian terror groups that won't be happy with a solution that includes Israel continuing to exist, perhaps?

**Goldbricker** · 12-01-2010, 19:59

Originally Posted by codbutt

Judging by today's news about an Iranian scientist getting on an exploding motorbike, they may well have just started.

He was also a noted critic of the current Iranian regime. List of suspects must include the Iranians as well as the de riguer ebil Juice of de Mossad and the CIA (Jason Bourne most likely)