Originally Posted by vampangua

Overhaul of compensation and pensions on medical discharge needs an overhaul (other threads refer). There are rules about abating pensions when other public sector employment is started after early departure from one dept, which I should imagine would kick in for transfer to MoD (unless potential new structure secured new rules) or any other public sector post.

I can't see that applies to AFPS as there are loads of ex mill in the MoD CS drawing their pension.

Does it mean those that are injured on Herrick or those that we all know that have that mystery injury sufficient for a downgrade to avoid PT but not bad enough to preclude them doing anything else.

Is there an HR specialist in the house? Is it right that one can routinely draw a full public sector salary whilst in receipt of a public service pension? IIRC one or t'other is abated, or there is a seniority threshold in second career. Waivers to this were possible, but were very rarely used, even before the age discrimination legislation changed all pensions/retirement/reemployment rules.

Why can't the medically discharged be offered the industrial CS posts that are currently not filled or about to be made vacant or permanently written out (these jobs are storemen, drivers, fitters)

Keeps the TA ticking over, keeps the injured close to the services and maintains the duty of care to the injured :o

Simples

Fine to offer those industrial jobs on two grounds - one that those taking them accept that industrial CS are very menial posts, with very poor pay. The highest level you can get to is to an E1 equivalent, so max salary of about £21K after 10 years service - anyone above the rank of private will be taking a huge pay cut to do these posts.

Secondly - do they want to, or can they do, these posts? Will their injuries prevent them from carrying out their role, and do they have the skills to do industrial work?

Happy to see them in the CS, but it should be on the grounds that they are the right people to do the job that needs doing.

Originally Posted by vampangua

Is there an HR specialist in the house? Is it right that one can routinely draw a full public sector salary whilst in receipt of a public service pension? IIRC one or t'other is abated, or there is a seniority threshold in second career. Waivers to this were possible, but were very rarely used, even before the age discrimination legislation changed all pensions/retirement/reemployment rules.

It looks like abatement only applies, as far as the CS is concerned, if your are in receipt of a CS pension (which AFPS/AFCS aren't)
unless

"you haven't been recruited "through fair and open
competition or the post is only
available to individuals with particular
public sector experience"
http://www.gov.im/lib/docs/personnel...sabatement.pdf

So I suspect a "invalided serviceman recruitment scheme" would fall foul of that. On the brightside, AIUI, the AFCS annual payment isn't a "pension" in the legal sense, its a "guaranteed income payment" so only any payment from the AFPS would be abated (which is already abated by the amount of AFCS anyway)

The actual act setting up the AFCS nas no provision for abatement other than in the case of damages or some back payments of benefits
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2005/20050439.htm#32

Originally Posted by EScotia

Why can't the medically discharged be offered the industrial CS posts that are currently not filled or about to be made vacant or permanently written out (these jobs are storemen, drivers, fitters)
Keeps the TA ticking over, keeps the injured close to the services and maintains the duty of care to the injured :o
Simples

Because once your out your on your own, i have never received a bit of help or assistance in 27 years, i went for and mod job earlier this year, sitting on the door of an office checking door passes, never got it, when you think of who better to put on the door than an ex wounded bloke, i have ran a small business employing 5 men for 15 years since leaving, so i think i can check door passes, or maybe not
And as for living on your pension, you cannot live on a pension you have to work, these lads who are single hopefully will marry have kids,
I Feel sorry for these blokes it will be a shock for them especially the severely wounded, as with medical improvements there are more of them,
I am still under the hospital from 1982,
but as for all this on the telly about climbing mountains doing this and that, It is just to make people think, our boys are being looked after, time will tell.
i hope the TV do a catch up with the terribly injured lads from Afghan and Iraq in 10 years time, when they are older and there bodies are really feeling it, at the moment they are young men who like to think they can still do everything,
And if able bodied people cant get jobs what chance disabled, and don't mention the disability rights laws.
God Bless them.
Covenant what Covenant.
just me having a moan, bah humbug.

Originally Posted by jimmyoc

Originally Posted by EScotia

Why can't the medically discharged be offered the industrial CS posts that are currently not filled or about to be made vacant or permanently written out (these jobs are storemen, drivers, fitters)
Keeps the TA ticking over, keeps the injured close to the services and maintains the duty of care to the injured :o
Simples

Because once your out your on your own, i have never received a bit of help or assistance in 27 years, i went for and mod job earlier this year, sitting on the door of an office checking door passes, never got it, when you think of who better to put on the door than an ex wounded bloke, i have ran a small business employing 5 men for 15 years since leaving, so i think i can check door passes, or maybe not
And as for living on your pension, you cannot live on a pension you have to work, these lads who are single hopefully will marry have kids,
I Feel sorry for these blokes it will be a shock for them especially the severely wounded, as with medical improvements there are more of them,
I am still under the hospital from 1982,
but as for all this on the telly about climbing mountains doing this and that, It is just to make people think, our boys are being looked after, time will tell.
i hope the TV do a catch up with the terribly injured lads from Afghan and Iraq in 10 years time, when they are older and there bodies are really feeling it, at the moment they are young men who like to think they can still do everything,
And if able bodied people cant get jobs what chance disabled, and don't mention the disability rights laws.
God Bless them.
Covenant what Covenant.
just me having a moan, bah humbug.

Keep yer chin up mucker,and merry Chrimbo

Surely something will have to give, the numbers of injured troops are on the increase...and on top of those statistics, you've got the downgraded who are not FD! As mentioned, we are now almost fully recruited to one of the lowest levels ever, therefore who's going to get the brown letter first?

At the risk of taking an opposing view, there is merit in some of this. As hard as it sounds, the Armed Forces are NOT a charity, and where an individual cannot carry out normal duties, I am afraid to say that they should be discharged with a suitable pension. As for the fat knackers in the MT and such like that are getting out of deployment on ops because they are "unfit", they should be gone full stop. I have read of amputees going back out on the line, and that is fantastic, so if THEY can motivate themselves to fitness, why can't the knacker steward in the Offr's Mess?