Originally Posted by FARMBOY

Parapauk what has owning 24% of the wealth got to do with paying 24% of the Govt tax bill - surely they are two separate things?

Super rich seem to pay their way - and that is as it should be, to ask more of them in tax terms is socialist bo**ocks IMHO.

Have you not learnt anything in the last 12 years man? Everyone has to be equal, everyone has to have the same opportunities and everyone should make equal contributions to the single Party State... :D

My fecking arrse. All that those Labour cnuts want is everyone's fecking money. The Rich must be flogged and punished, but what those one-eyed cnust always fail to recognise is that it's those same rich that create jobs, create people's pay and create the income to fund the taxes for the Nu Labour Government to pisss down the drain, or worse, give to corrupt and idle foreign nations.

Originally Posted by heard_it_all_before

Originally Posted by FARMBOY

Parapauk what has owning 24% of the wealth got to do with paying 24% of the Govt tax bill - surely they are two separate things?

Super rich seem to pay their way - and that is as it should be, to ask more of them in tax terms is socialist bo**ocks IMHO.

Have you not learnt anything in the last 12 years man? Everyone has to be equal, everyone has to have the same opportunities and everyone should make equal contributions to the single Party State... :D

My fecking arrse. All that those Labour cnuts want is everyone's fecking money. The Rich must be flogged and punished, but what those one-eyed cnust always fail to recognise is that it's those same rich that create jobs, create people's pay and create the income to fund the taxes for the Nu Labour Government to pisss down the drain, or worse, give to corrupt and idle foreign nations.

I hear you comrade - those that generate wealth must be crushed according to the holy orders of Das Kapital and Saint Gordon of Marx :D

I think if you look at the link what is more worrying is the burden that the more average tax payers carry - we are in for a VERY hard decade :( But do not worry comrades the revoltution will probably be taxed too.

Originally Posted by Zer0

I consider myself a socialist, and like most who do I have no huge problem with the rich. Socialism isn't about class war, its about social mobility.

The bold - tell that to Harriet Harman et al. There are in life some lazy fcuking slacking cnuts who don't give a shite because they know they'll get lifted and laid by 'the government'. I know someone who's 34 and has never worked a day in his life, save for the odd shift 'crooking' as he calls it. He's got two kids, a council house and smokes hash seven days a week. I find it very hard to believe that in Gordons 'boom' period we had up to the recession started he couldn't find a job anywhere.

And I think there's a lot more than just him who's like that in this country. Loads of people who are from poor/disadvantaged backgrounds put the effort in to better their lot without any help from anyone. I know people who came from utter shiteholes of places who have done alright for themselves. My best mate comes from Ferguslie Park in Paisley, one of the worst places in the West of Scotland but he's now a head chef with a feck off big house, a great wife, great kid and a Rangie. Should he pay a lot more tax just because he didn't choose to do what his school pals did and get fcuked on scag and steal cars?

Practically no-ones still a socialist by the time they hit about 35 btw, and there's a reason for that.

To paraphrase Churchill:
"If you are not a socialist at the age of twenty you have no heart. If you are not a capitalist by the age of forty you have no brain"

Originally Posted by parapauk

Originally Posted by FARMBOY

Parapauk what has owning 24% of the wealth got to do with paying 24% of the Govt tax bill - surely they are two separate things?

Super rich seem to pay their way - and that is as it should be, to ask more of them in tax terms is socialist bo**ocks IMHO.

Not really - most people with vast amounts of wealth earn it as opposed to having it passed down to them. I would however love to see the figures for the top 1% of income though. It would be below 24%, but given that income tax is progressive, that is understandable.

That is the Top 1% of income earners!

Poverty my arrse!

I spend my days and nights working predominantly amongst people who live off the backs of the rest of society.

Perhaps it's my jaundiced view of things, but at least 90% of my time is spent going to houses where socially inadequate people are huddled round giant flat screens drinking themeselves into oblivion in between knocking sh*t out of each other, randomly shagging to produce even more mouth breathing morons, sourcing or dealing drugs, shoplifting, breaking other peoples stuff, causing disturbances at 4 in the morning and generally being anti social, parasitic wastes of oxygen.

They dont work, have no intention of ever working, yet suck the life out of the country. They own cars, get social workers who pander after them in an endless round of back rubbing, excuse making and sourcing various types of assistance everyone else would pay through the nose for.

Their kids are all diagnosed with adhd, they are all diagnosed with things like bi-Polar or depression or have addictions to alcohol or drugs.

despite all the assistance they get from the state, they want more and then spend all the handouts on fags, drink and drugs and provide their offspring with a diet of crisps, fizzy pop and other assorted crap.

They are invarioubly the ones who lurch about in town between pubs and clubs boozed up and looking for fights or some other minger to use as a cock holster.

They want the Police there in an instant when someone has slighted them and will complain if you tell them whatever they are bleating about it isn't a crime . To the same extent, I have seen an innocent lad bleeding out and dying on the street whilst the same imbeciles "didn't see anything".

Ive arrested cretins who boast from the back of the van that they don't care because they will be out in a few hours, they wont turn up at court, nothing will happen if they don't and in any case, they don't have a boss, they don't have to do what they are told and they get paid anyway for not working.

This country is truly Fu**ed when we are all happy to continue funding their chosen lifestyles and the powers at be pander after their every need.

Im not a statitician and don't know the percentage of populus that are in this large and substantial portion of society, but it must cost billions.

Personally, I would put the lot in a workhouse environment and provide basic requirements such as food, accomodation, medical care and schooling. They would have no access to alcohol or drugs and would only get out if they obtained employment and showed they could live in society without being a burdon.

Im sick of people making excuses for mongs like these when I pay my taxes to support them

Right, rant over.

Awaiting incoming.

scandavian countries have it about right a more level society makes for a nicer place for everyone.
ok you don't get a gold plated bentley but then again you don't spend cash on hiring half ex regiment to protect you or worrying it will get keyed at the first chance any prole has

The idea we are a meritocracy where every starts off with a level playing field is offensive bollocks. I f that was true cabinets would'nt be stuffed with the products of public schools

Originally Posted by spurtle

Poverty my arrse!

I spend my days and nights working predominantly amongst people who live off the backs of the rest of society.

Perhaps it's my jaundiced view of things, but at least 90% of my time is spent going to houses where socially inadequate people are huddled round giant flat screens drinking themeselves into oblivion in between knocking sh*t out of each other, randomly shagging to produce even more mouth breathing morons, sourcing or dealing drugs, shoplifting, breaking other peoples stuff, causing disturbances at 4 in the morning and generally being anti social, parasitic wastes of oxygen.

They dont work, have no intention of ever working, yet suck the life out of the country. They own cars, get social workers who pander after them in an endless round of back rubbing, excuse making and sourcing various types of assistance everyone else would pay through the nose for.

Their kids are all diagnosed with adhd, they are all diagnosed with things like bi-Polar or depression or have addictions to alcohol or drugs.

despite all the assistance they get from the state, they want more and then spend all the handouts on fags, drink and drugs and provide their offspring with a diet of crisps, fizzy pop and other assorted crap.

They are invarioubly the ones who lurch about in town between pubs and clubs boozed up and looking for fights or some other minger to use as a c*** holster.

They want the Police there in an instant when someone has slighted them and will complain if you tell them whatever they are bleating about it isn't a crime . To the same extent, I have seen an innocent lad bleeding out and dying on the street whilst the same imbeciles "didn't see anything".

Ive arrested cretins who boast from the back of the van that they don't care because they will be out in a few hours, they wont turn up at court, nothing will happen if they don't and in any case, they don't have a boss, they don't have to do what they are told and they get paid anyway for not working.

This country is truly Fu**ed when we are all happy to continue funding their chosen lifestyles and the powers at be pander after their every need.

Im not a statitician and don't know the percentage of populus that are in this large and substantial portion of society, but it must cost billions.

Personally, I would put the lot in a workhouse environment and provide basic requirements such as food, accomodation, medical care and schooling. They would have no access to alcohol or drugs and would only get out if they obtained employment and showed they could live in society without being a burdon.

Im sick of people making excuses for mongs like these when I pay my taxes to support them

Right, rant over.

Awaiting incoming.

No incoming from me mate - you have just summed up a large proportion of the O2 thieves that live in my home town. I agree with everything you say - the benefits system needs dismantling. The main problem is that there are so many vested interests in the benefits culture both in terms of recipients and the careers of social workers etc that who has the political balls to do what needs to be done?

Everytime this comes up the stories come out about the rich moving abroad, but the facts they forget to mention are that they are earning their money within the UK and its markets. If they move then they are out of the loop or have to give up the business interests, which will mean the UK losing the tax and the people losing their earnings.

It's been the same with the bankers and so on, 'oh they'll just move to another country', ok, first question, what country, the US, an area that has thousands of bankers on the scrapheap due to so many firms going tits up, a country that is quite xenophobic towards foreigners coming in and taking their jobs (just like every country really).

The threat of moving is just that in 99% of the cases, it is just a threat, even those who are seen as the best and are headhunted would move anyway, they follow the money, the other 99% are just earning because they have the contacts, friends and ability to earn a living in the UK markets, take them out of that and put them into the US/EU markets and they won't have the same abilities, not to mention knowledge of those markets.

Personally if i was earning a million a year i don't think i'd be too downhearted at losing half of it in tax and so on, that's still £500,000 coming in each year and i'd have a suitable lifestyle with that cash that would be better than 99.9% of the UK.

Originally Posted by Argee2007

Personally if i was earning a million a year i don't think i'd be too downhearted at losing half of it in tax and so on, that's still £500,000 coming in each year and i'd have a suitable lifestyle with that cash that would be better than 99.9% of the UK.

Apart from maybe a few investment bankers or hedge fund managers who create wealth from other people's money, the vast majority of those in our country that have created wealth have done so from their own hard work, dedication and great personal risk. So for you to say”carte blanche” that you would gladly hand over half of your annual wealth to a bunch of hapless fcukwits just so that they can fund the cushty lifestyles of the Idle Masses is probably the weakest excuse for Socialism that's been on here in a very long time.

With a blinkered and gullible attitude like that, having to hand over £500k of your hard earned money is obviously never going to be a situation for you to ever have to worry about my friend.