Originally Posted by BiGbAddAbOOm

Originally Posted by jagman

So what you going to do about it?

Talk to people who will listen, let them know what they have lost / are losing, more I cannot do due to ill health etc. I don't have the luxury of leaving the country to pastures new like some of my friends and people on ARRSE have done.

I am sure those of us that served or are serving did not believe they would be helping in to power / serving what is basically a dictatorship?

J

All of the foregoing forms part of the reasons why I choose to live overseas. I have also been a consultant to the European Commision and whilst it isnt all bad, I have seen the corruption from within. I have a number of friends and colleagues who live in Europe (I mean the continent, of course). Many of them are bemused as to the British lack of enthusiasm for participating in Europe. I see very strong parallels between those people and the rabbits in Watership Down who live close to the farmers "protection". We are doomed. Well, you lot are, I am off out of it.

I left Britain 30 years ago when Maggie was setting up her slave state back in 1980,state-made unemployment,poverty wages and the realisation that I´d been ´mugged´to protect Europe from a non-existant enemy in BAOR.
The loss of Juries and having to prove you´re not guilty are just another step down the spiral staircase to a land fit for nothing.You don´t even have to work anymore to get on,I wonder what happens when the money runs out,maybe that´s why the so-called Government are stealing everything they get their hands on including your rights and liberty.
I really don´t understand your fears over Europe or the EU,yes they´re an overpaid bunch of prats at the best of times but they can be changed at their own Country´s Governments whim,Germany´s just done this as the CDU are now in power so kicked out the old SPD EU minister,easy.They might just be able to stop some of the Tyranny going on in Britain at the moment,where will you then go to get Justice,yep Brussels!
Old ladies and Grandma´s don´t get jailed over here for clipping a kid´s ear,as long as they´ve got a fixed abode,and If a student called a Copper´s horse ´Gay´he´d just get a laugh back and not a criminal recordon´t call the Copper an Arrsehole though,that costs a lot of Euros but you still wouldn´t be jailed.
I like it here and I´m not planning to return to the UK permanently unless It´s in an Urn!

Terrifying. And ashamed as I am to admit it, knew very little about it. Will be doing rather a lot of very careful reading from henceforth. Thank you for posting it.

Originally Posted by Bonzo_Dog

Originally Posted by Booty

It reads like the melodramatic copy of a Daily Wail columnist.

Could you enlighten me as to which parts of the article are untrue?

Maybe the part that states It´s Illegal to Slag Off the EU?Can´t believe that one really or maybe It´s only in the UK?Certainly not an EU law!

Originally Posted by midnight

Originally Posted by Bonzo_Dog

Originally Posted by Booty

It reads like the melodramatic copy of a Daily Wail columnist.

Could you enlighten me as to which parts of the article are untrue?

Maybe the part that states It´s Illegal to Slag Off the EU?Can´t believe that one really or maybe It´s only in the UK?Certainly not an EU law!

Oh really?

This deems that political criticism of the European Union and its leading figures can be akin to the most extreme forms of religious blasphemy. It can therefore be suppressed - and punished without violating protected freedom of speech.

Ruiz-Jarabo Colomer ventured into blasphemy law in an opinion delivered on 19 October in a landmark free-speech case - number C-274/99 P. It involves a British economist, Bernard Connolly, who argues that he was unlawfully sacked from the European Commission for writing The Rotten Heart of Europe.

Last year Connolly lost his case in the EU's lower court, the Court of First Instance, which ruled that the EU has an undefined - and seemingly unlimited - power to restrict political criticism in `the general interests of the Communities'.

Originally Posted by Track_Link

It's a shame the majority of Britons are more interested in the X-Factor than this...

The majority of them would struggle to spell X factor.

Originally Posted by Bonzo_Dog

Originally Posted by midnight

Originally Posted by Bonzo_Dog

Originally Posted by Booty

It reads like the melodramatic copy of a Daily Wail columnist.

Could you enlighten me as to which parts of the article are untrue?

Maybe the part that states It´s Illegal to Slag Off the EU?Can´t believe that one really or maybe It´s only in the UK?Certainly not an EU law!

Oh really?

This deems that political criticism of the European Union and its leading figures can be akin to the most extreme forms of religious blasphemy. It can therefore be suppressed - and punished without violating protected freedom of speech.

Ruiz-Jarabo Colomer ventured into blasphemy law in an opinion delivered on 19 October in a landmark free-speech case - number C-274/99 P. It involves a British economist, Bernard Connolly, who argues that he was unlawfully sacked from the European Commission for writing The Rotten Heart of Europe.

Last year Connolly lost his case in the EU's lower court, the Court of First Instance, which ruled that the EU has an undefined - and seemingly unlimited - power to restrict political criticism in `the general interests of the Communities'.

I'm not a big fan of the EU but lets not get to scaremongering. As someone who lives at the heart of the EU, let me dispel your fears, the EU are a bunch of scum bag fcukers who are nothing more than bureaucrats scoffing at the trough of tax payers money. If that's illegal I'm fcucked, but I suspect that's not the case.

I'll let you know tomorrow if the black helicopters descend on my place. But I'm hopeful of an early morning shag and shower before lunch.

You've more to fear from our home-grown politicians than those in Europe, don't kid yourselves.

Originally Posted by Ord_Sgt

Originally Posted by Bonzo_Dog

Originally Posted by midnight

Originally Posted by Bonzo_Dog

Originally Posted by Booty

It reads like the melodramatic copy of a Daily Wail columnist.

Could you enlighten me as to which parts of the article are untrue?

Maybe the part that states It´s Illegal to Slag Off the EU?Can´t believe that one really or maybe It´s only in the UK?Certainly not an EU law!

Oh really?

This deems that political criticism of the European Union and its leading figures can be akin to the most extreme forms of religious blasphemy. It can therefore be suppressed - and punished without violating protected freedom of speech.

Ruiz-Jarabo Colomer ventured into blasphemy law in an opinion delivered on 19 October in a landmark free-speech case - number C-274/99 P. It involves a British economist, Bernard Connolly, who argues that he was unlawfully sacked from the European Commission for writing The Rotten Heart of Europe.

Last year Connolly lost his case in the EU's lower court, the Court of First Instance, which ruled that the EU has an undefined - and seemingly unlimited - power to restrict political criticism in `the general interests of the Communities'.

I'm not a big fan of the EU but lets not get to scaremongering. As someone who lives at the heart of the EU, let me dispel your fears, the EU are a bunch of scum bag fcukers who are nothing more than bureaucrats scoffing at the trough of tax payers money. If that's illegal I'm fcucked, but I suspect that's not the case.

I'll let you know tomorrow if the black helicopters descend on my place. But I'm hopeful of an early morning shag and shower before lunch.

You've more to fear from our home-grown politicians than those in Europe, don't kid yourselves.

Sorry OS but it's going to take a lot more than your calming words to convince me otherwise. Solid evidence would suffice. agree that we have lots to fear from our home-grown poiticians, but they are headed one way - out and into a job in Brussels.

PS. If you are not convinced of the threat from the EU whilst living at the heart of it then, yes, you are fukced.

Bonzo-Dog,
thanks for the link,a real eye opener and quite amusing to find that the original Court Case came from the UK as an Anti-porn film ban to protect Christian worshipers.The law though isn´t through yet in the EU and I can´t imagine ridicule of the EU being classed as Blasphemy,It looks as If some prat of an Euro MP has got his head stuck up his own arrse and won´t admit he´s made a mistake.
The title isn´t always a good guide to the content of a story,good read though and probably a good reason not to trust the Spanish

[quote="Bonzo_Dog"]

Originally Posted by Ord_Sgt

Sorry OS but it's going to take a lot more than your calming words to convince me otherwise. Solid evidence would suffice. agree that we have lots to fear from our home-grown poiticians, but they are headed one way - out and into a job in Brussels.

PS. If you are not convinced of the threat from the EU whilst living at the heart of it then, yes, you are fukced.

Like I said I'm happy to be proved wrong, but as some one who lives outside the UK, you have way more to be worried about than your home-grown pollies than anything the EU can throw at you.