Thread: EU Positions Announced

Originally Posted by Contrarian

Originally Posted by Ord_Sgt

Originally Posted by Contrarian

Originally Posted by johnboyzzz

Standby for massive tax increases from Rumple of Brussels

Whatever happened to "No taxation without representation"? A proper 'clusterfcuk' it is and there will be no gain without pain, we're so far gone.

Didn't the last time that happened lead to a revolution against the worlds super power?

Indeed it did. But in those days folks were lean and hardy survivors and not brain dead cabbages fixated on Jordan (one example where Sharia law should be applied mercilessly) and X-Factor.

PS. Don't mention revolution in my presence. My therapist's advice that is.

Fair one, but even back then they were distracted with booze and so on, but they still kicked back.

Lets face it the good times for the idle and feckless are running out, the money simply isn't there, so something is going to snap.

Being robbed left right and centre to pay for chavs, useless politicians, French farmers new cars and green policies, which don't address anything other than the governments tax take is not going to run for much longer, most people have had enough. You know I never thought the British Parliament would be down there with the Italians, at least they acknowledge they are skimming it.

Revolution may not be coming soon, but the fcukers in charge need to start taking notice, because the gravy train is running out of steam and when it does answers are going to be needed.

Originally Posted by Ord_Sgt

Originally Posted by Contrarian

Originally Posted by Ord_Sgt

Originally Posted by Contrarian

Originally Posted by johnboyzzz

Standby for massive tax increases from Rumple of Brussels

Whatever happened to "No taxation without representation"? A proper 'clusterfcuk' it is and there will be no gain without pain, we're so far gone.

Didn't the last time that happened lead to a revolution against the worlds super power?

Indeed it did. But in those days folks were lean and hardy survivors and not brain dead cabbages fixated on Jordan (one example where Sharia law should be applied mercilessly) and X-Factor.

PS. Don't mention revolution in my presence. My therapist's advice that is.

Fair one, but even back then they were distracted with booze and so on, but they still kicked back.

Lets face it the good times for the idle and feckless are running out, the money simply isn't there, so something is going to snap.

Being robbed left right and centre to pay for chavs, useless politicians, French farmers new cars and green policies, which don't address anything other than the governments tax take is not going to run for much longer, most people have had enough. You know I never thought the British Parliament would be down there with the Italians, at least they acknowledge they are skimming it.

Revolution may not be coming soon, but the fcukers in charge need to start taking notice, because the gravy train is running out of steam and when it does answers are going to be needed.

Very good point Ord_Sgt…


The CIA has predicted that the EUSSR will tear itself apart when it can no longer afford it's over generous welfare states, the 'Bread and Circuses' that keep it's huge population of feckless and indigent fat, dumb and happy.



"……THE CIA has predicted that the European Union will break-up within 15 years unless it radically reforms its ailing welfare systems.
The report by the intelligence agency, which forecasts how the world will look in 2020, warns that Europe could be dragged into economic decline by its ageing population. It also predicts the end of Nato and post-1945 military alliances.

In a devastating indictment of EU economic prospects, the report warns: "The current EU welfare state is unsustainable and the lack of any economic revitalisation could lead to the splintering or, at worst, disintegration of the EU, undermining its ambitions to play a heavyweight international role.……"

http://news.scotsman.com/europeanuni...-on.2595505.jp

Originally Posted by fantassin

Why ridiculous ? because he's a belgian ? the amount of slur coming from the UK and addressed at this poor guy who seems to be a very decent, hard working bloke is frankly amazing; if you aren't happy with the EU, especially after having knocked on its door for ages, just get the fcuk out and stop moaning FFS !

We would but they'd keep making us vote till we all lost the will to live and said yes.

Originally Posted by Ord_Sgt

Fair one, but even back then they were distracted with booze and so on, but they still kicked back.

The difference being, of course, that the wider population was then armed, and that they could go hungry very quickly. Democracy was still new and fresh and had been hard won. The British masses feel enfranchised when they vote on X-Factor.

Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

Originally Posted by Ord_Sgt

Lets face it the good times for the idle and feckless are running out, the money simply isn't there, so something is going to snap.

Being robbed left right and centre to pay for chavs, useless politicians, French farmers new cars and green policies, which don't address anything other than the governments tax take is not going to run for much longer, most people have had enough. You know I never thought the British Parliament would be down there with the Italians, at least they acknowledge they are skimming it.

Revolution may not be coming soon, but the fcukers in charge need to start taking notice, because the gravy train is running out of steam and when it does answers are going to be needed.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Not that I advocate armed revolution. It's a long shot but perhaps an evolutionary solution could be possible. Though many teething pains there would be.

will be interesting to see if he still holds this view when Turkey promises to turn over that huge oil line that runs through there!!!!!

Position on Turkey joining the European Union
Van Rompuy is a strong opponent of Turkey joining the European Union.

In 2004, he stated "Turkey is not a part of Europe and will never be part of Europe. An expansion of the EU to include Turkey cannot be considered as just another expansion as in the past". He continued "The universal values which are in force in Europe, and which are fundamental values of Christianity, will lose vigour with the entry of a large Islamic country such as Turkey

Oil Slick.

The report predicts that America’s relationships with Europe will be "dramatically altered" over the next 15 years, in a move away from post-Second World War institutions. Nato could disappear and be replaced by increased EU action.

"The EU, rather than Nato, will increasingly become the primary institution for Europe, and the role Europeans shape for themselves on the world stage is most likely to be projected through it," the report adds. "Whether the EU will develop an army is an open question."

Defence spending by individual European countries, including the UK, France, and Germany, is likely to fall further behind China and other countries over the next 15 years. Collectively these countries will outspend all others except the US and possibly China.

I think we are losing our grip on any special relationship we may have had with the US by sticking with Europe, and in particular to Germany and France. The US is moving towards China/Asia and we are going to be cut adrift as that part of the world grows economically.

I personally don't feel there are enough benefits to remaining in our present European alliances, the current almost complete failure (with the notable exceptions of the Netherlands, Poland and the Baltic states) to act in the overall best interests of Europe bares that out. Most of Europe are dead weights unless there is something in it for them.

We Brits have always been more altruistic and have stuck our necks out on numerous occasions for others, just read a history book, but that has never, and in my opinion will never, be returned. So lets cut our losses and stay in with those who are on a winning ticket.

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Originally Posted by Ord_Sgt

We Brits have always been more altruistic and have stuck our necks out on numerous occasions for others, just read a history book, but that has never, and in my opinion will never, be returned. So lets cut our losses and stay in with those who are on a winning ticket.

Perhaps before we can truly, as a nation, get to grips with our 21st century role internationally, we must first get to grips with our internal political mechanisms. If those deciding our international obligations and agreements are duff, then the diplomatic results will also be duff.

Originally Posted by Contrarian

Originally Posted by Ord_Sgt

We Brits have always been more altruistic and have stuck our necks out on numerous occasions for others, just read a history book, but that has never, and in my opinion will never, be returned. So lets cut our losses and stay in with those who are on a winning ticket.

Perhaps before we can truly, as a nation, get to grips with our 21st century role we must get to grips with our internal political mechanisms. If those deciding our international obligations and agreements are duff, then the results will also be duff on the international stage.

My point exactly, lets get a grip of what's in our best interests for once, dump those that don't offer anything other than bitching and nipping at our heals trying to get one over us for their own benefit.

Our incoming politicians would do well to take note.

Some bloke called Churchill gave us a few pointers about how the world could turn out and I would start there.

I am not a federalist or even someone pro-EU (free trade yes and that is about it), but I am thanking my lucky stars the EU President is not Tony Blair. Jesus, even if you take Iraq out of the equation, look what he did to us and be grateful for small mercies.
And as to our new Foreign Minister, well at least you know there will be no sex scandal!

Originally Posted by OldSnowy

I didn't get the chance or opportunity to vote for him - so why should I tke any notice whatsoever of what he says?

What democratic legitimacy has this man got?

You did'nt get the chance to vote for Lord Peter Mandelson either who is now running ten Whitehall departments as a Secretary of State who has never had to face a democratic election in any constituency in the United Kingdom for the job.

The same unelected Mandelson who is now setting out plans to cut internet access for those who download music they are not supposed to!

And like Mandelson, there are another clutch of Lords who are appointed in exactly the same manner in the United Kingdom that you now complain has happened in the Council.

"The CIA has predicted...." now that's a funny line.....they wouldn't be able to predict on what day Christmas will be so leave the CIA out of that if you want to be taken seriously.

And Van Rompuy is against the entry of Turkey in the EU ? I did not know that but I already like the man !

Finally, I think you should stop harbouring any hope that there is still "a special relationship" between the UK and the USA. Since 2003, you have been shafted time and again being Uncle Sam's bitch, losing ground all around the world just to be in his good books and you still haven't understood....time to realize the Channel is actually narrower than the Atlantic....

Originally Posted by Iolis

Originally Posted by OldSnowy

I didn't get the chance or opportunity to vote for him - so why should I tke any notice whatsoever of what he says?

What democratic legitimacy has this man got?

You did'nt get the chance to vote for Lord Peter Mandelson either who is now running ten Whitehall departments as a Secretary of State who has never had to face a democratic election in any constituency in the United Kingdom for the job.

The same unelected Mandelson who is now setting out plans to cut internet access for those who download music they are not supposed to!

And like Mandelson, there are another clutch of Lords who are appointed in exactly the same manner in the United Kingdom that you now complain has happened in the Council.

It's not like anybody had a vote on either, which is the problem!

Originally Posted by fantassin

"The CIA has predicted...." now that's a funny line.....they wouldn't be able to predict on what day Christmas will be so leave the CIA out of that if you want to be taken seriously.

And Van Rompuy is against the entry of Turkey in the EU ? I did not know that but I already like the man !

Finally, I think you should stop harbouring any hope that there is still "a special relationship" between the UK and the USA. Since 2003, you have been shafted time and again being Uncle Sam's bitch, losing ground all around the world just to be in his good books and you still haven't understood....time to realize the Channel is actually narrower than the Atlantic....

Oh the irony :D

Article 15(5) TEU

Herman Van Rumpuy. President (designate) European Council:

Article 18(1) TEU

Baroness Catherine Ashton of Upholland High Representative (Designate) of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy:

Originally Posted by fantassin

time to realize the Channel is actually narrower than the Atlantic....

Only so it's handy to come over and give the French a slap when they need it (or to liberate them/defend their country for them, more recently).