Originally Posted by CAARPS

Originally Posted by agoodgrouping

Originally Posted by vampireuk

Again what they really mean is, now the lads have a way of claiming what they are fully entitled to and it is costing them an arm and a leg giving it to them rather than relying on the clerks telling everybody to sod off.

You can claim what you are entitled to as always before - if the clerks told you to sod off then you were at fault for not 'educating' them, I have dropped a few in my time for 'an unhelpful attitude' both sides of the counter. Problem with JPA is that noone now knows WHAT they are entitled to because there is noone there to advise them or HOW to claim it so they are scared to claim and the system is not easy to use. JPA replaced clerks because 'if you can use a mobile phone you can use JPA' so there is no problem because the Army do not want accept one exists. VERY VERY FEW PEOPLE GET COURT-MARTIALLED BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT TRAINED TO USE THIS, er, TOOL.

Oh my aching sides

Old way

Pte Sprog - Scuse me Cpl Shiny I have been away all day and I have been told I am entitled to xyz

Cpl Shiny - Did you fill in AF123456789 in quadruplicate 5 days in advance and get it signed by the Master chef, QM, & CDS

Pte Sprog – No

Cpl – Well F*ck off out of my site you little irratent

New Way

Pte Sprog - goes away from military site for over 5 hours, buys food & drink keeps receipts of up tp approx £27.00

Pte Sprog – Gets back to camp follows the steps that are relatively hard the first time, however, once shown gets easier and claims his entitlement back on JPA

Pte Sprog now claims his entitlement every single time

MOD who didn’t foresee this up-shoot in claims gets embarrassed :D :D

What rank are you ?

If it was going wrong before & Pte Sprog was one of mine then you had a part to play in this scenario – where were you ? Speak to the SPS guys & if they were not producing the goods then be Cpl Complaint or Sgt Shout. Most clerks want to do a good job – easier for everyone. If you are frustrated and blocked then push it up your Regtl CoC so the SPS are educated (or you are informed about the reasons ‘why not’).

The £27 a day is relatively new (used to be only a fiver in UK and double that overseas). There is a £30 million spike in allowances and that is not down to increased DRSA claims (so what is it ?)

THE COMPUTER IS MEANT TO HAVE REPLACED THE CLERK (that is what paid for JPA)

Despite the problems with JPA if you have a good, pro-active FSA, RAWO and RAO they SHOULD be able to sort out most issues for everyone – JPA is often the obstacle for them in doing it rather than the quick-fix ‘tool’ they were promised. Or require.

Why could we not have figured out, before this system was introduced, that the MoD is helpless when it comes to 20th century IT?

That is not mistake, 20th Cent is what I meant. Name one IT system that has worked as advertised.

Originally Posted by agoodgrouping

What rank are you ?

If it was going wrong before & Pte Sprog was one of mine then you had a part to play in this scenario – where were you ? Speak to the SPS guys & if they were not producing the goods then be Cpl Complaint or Sgt Shout. Most clerks want to do a good job – easier for everyone. If you are frustrated and blocked then push it up your Regtl CoC so the SPS are educated (or you are informed about the reasons ‘why not’).

The £27 a day is relatively new (used to be only a fiver in UK and double that overseas). There is a £30 million spike in allowances and that is not down to increased DRSA claims (so what is it ?)

THE COMPUTER IS MEANT TO HAVE REPLACED THE CLERK (that is what paid for JPA)

Despite the problems with JPA if you have a good, pro-active FSA, RAWO and RAO they SHOULD be able to sort out most issues for everyone – JPA is often the obstacle for them in doing it rather than the quick-fix ‘tool’ they were promised. Or require.

What does that matter what rank I am, however, I have been around long enough to lament the demise of the All Arms Clerk and the RAPC

Please climb down of your high horse before you fall off and hurt yourself. Isn’t wonderful that in the beautiful world of cyber space everyone is perfect and we all do the very best job we can.

Some clerks are very very good and some the complete opposite (a bit like every other trade group in the army). If you hadn’t noticed it’s a busy old world and sometimes the boys just accept getting f*cked off, however, when they make their CofC aware, things generally get done.

Have you ever been sort of in the background in a department (whether that be the clerks office, the QM’s, or the MT) when a young lad is getting f*cked around by some jumped up f*cker, yet as soon as a senior/officer asks a question the attitude changes completely.

Well the real world is like that (and yes before you ask I do intervene on behalf of the young lad when I see it)

With regard to the spike, I have suggested one reason, that blokes are finding it easier to claim their entitlements. You refute this yet do not offer an alternative

The £27 a day is relatively new (used to be only a fiver in UK and double that overseas). There is a £30 million spike in allowances and that is not down to increased DRSA claims (so what is it ?)

I ain't joking here - what is the £27 about? Honestly not a wah...my ears have pricked up and my wallet is tingling. I know (or knew) about the £5 thingy but I'm interested to know what has changed - I haven't seen anything advertised. Cheers.

Originally Posted by CardinalSin

The £27 a day is relatively new (used to be only a fiver in UK and double that overseas). There is a £30 million spike in allowances and that is not down to increased DRSA claims (so what is it ?)

I ain't joking here - what is the £27 about? Honestly not a wah...my ears have pricked up and my wallet is tingling. I know (or knew) about the £5 thingy but I'm interested to know what has changed - I haven't seen anything advertised. Cheers.

Day Subsistence (Para Phrased Below)

DS is the re-imbursement of actual receipted costs, up to a DS limit for expenditure necessarily incurred for food and drink during the day for periods of over 5 hours’ absence from the permanent or temporary assignment station, when neither a Core Meal in a PAYD Unit or an Entitled Casual Meal in a non-PAYD Unit can be purchased.

Authority for claims for subsistence within 5 miles of the assignment station, temporary assignment station or home location are normally inappropriate unless the CO, or appropriate delegated officer, is content that the Service person’s duties make it impracticable for them to return to their duty station/home.

DS reimburses breakfast and/or lunch and/or dinner costs, tax and gratuities/service charges, except where NS is also being claimed for the same temporary duty, in which case breakfast costs are contained within NS, and not DS

Service personnel who receive light refreshments, breakfast, lunch or dinner in the working environment or any form of Official Entertainment must not claim DS for the food and drink provided under these circumstances at public expense

Currently about £27.00 a day reciepted (as stated above). It can be claimed with Night Subsistence (NS) and aggregated, however check JSP 752 for the complete regulation. Lots of other good stuff in there as well

Oh and not to be confused with Missed Meal Payments (MMP) or Meals Out Allowance (MOA)

Originally Posted by CAARPS

Day Subsistence (Para Phrased Below)

DS is the re-imbursement of actual receipted costs, up to a DS limit for expenditure necessarily incurred for food and drink during the day for periods of over 5 hours’ absence from the permanent or temporary assignment station, when neither a Core Meal in a PAYD Unit or an Entitled Casual Meal in a non-PAYD Unit can be purchased.

Authority for claims for subsistence within 5 miles of the assignment station, temporary assignment station or home location are normally inappropriate unless the CO, or appropriate delegated officer, is content that the Service person’s duties make it impracticable for them to return to their duty station/home.

DS reimburses breakfast and/or lunch and/or dinner costs, tax and gratuities/service charges, except where NS is also being claimed for the same temporary duty, in which case breakfast costs are contained within NS, and not DS

Service personnel who receive light refreshments, breakfast, lunch or dinner in the working environment or any form of Official Entertainment must not claim DS for the food and drink provided under these circumstances at public expense

Currently about £27.00 a day reciepted (as stated above). It can be claimed with Night Subsistence (NS) and aggregated, however check JSP 752 for the complete regulation. Lots of other good stuff in there as well

Oh and not to be confused with Missed Meal Payments (MMP) or Meals Out Allowance (MOA)

I rest my case.

MSR

Personally I thought it fairer when officers could claim more than soldiers, I mean soldiers just eat chips which do not cost much.

Originally Posted by msr

Originally Posted by CAARPS

Day Subsistence (Para Phrased Below)

DS is the re-imbursement of actual receipted costs, up to a DS limit for expenditure necessarily incurred for food and drink during the day for periods of over 5 hours’ absence from the permanent or temporary assignment station, when neither a Core Meal in a PAYD Unit or an Entitled Casual Meal in a non-PAYD Unit can be purchased.

Authority for claims for subsistence within 5 miles of the assignment station, temporary assignment station or home location are normally inappropriate unless the CO, or appropriate delegated officer, is content that the Service person’s duties make it impracticable for them to return to their duty station/home.

DS reimburses breakfast and/or lunch and/or dinner costs, tax and gratuities/service charges, except where NS is also being claimed for the same temporary duty, in which case breakfast costs are contained within NS, and not DS

Service personnel who receive light refreshments, breakfast, lunch or dinner in the working environment or any form of Official Entertainment must not claim DS for the food and drink provided under these circumstances at public expense

Currently about £27.00 a day reciepted (as stated above). It can be claimed with Night Subsistence (NS) and aggregated, however check JSP 752 for the complete regulation. Lots of other good stuff in there as well

Oh and not to be confused with Missed Meal Payments (MMP) or Meals Out Allowance (MOA)

I rest my case.MSR

The JSP is pretty straight forward for anyone who can read

Oh and it is on the WWW, no link just google JSP 752 (probably not the current version)

And it means that like today when I had to go on a nine hour round trip the £11.00 I spent on food and drink and incidentally the £1.00 Toll I paid each way will be back in my pocket in the next couple of days because I don’t have to rely on someone to claim it for me

Originally Posted by AFA06

Personally I thought it fairer when officers could claim more than soldiers, I mean soldiers just eat chips which do not cost much.

:D :D No it did really make me smile

I'm no Einstein (as I'm sure many here will be happy to confirm), but I can find my way around JSP 752 (Tri-Service Regulations for Allowances), which is widely available on the Defence Intranet and on the internet. If it is in your interests to claim, then it is in your interests to read the JSP. Byzantine it ain't. Starter for ten: It has a contents list.