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Originally Posted by DeltaDog

The issue here isn't the ID cards themselves, but the Orewllian 'National Identity Register'. Still, the Tories have pledged to kick it into touch as soon as they take the reigns, so I wouldn't worry too much...

I didn't know they were Republicans - when did this appear in their manifesto?

Originally Posted by pombsen-armchair-warrior

Originally Posted by DeltaDog

The issue here isn't the ID cards themselves, but the Orewllian 'National Identity Register'. Still, the Tories have pledged to kick it into touch as soon as they take the reigns, so I wouldn't worry too much...

I didn't know they were Republicans - when did this appear in their manifesto?

It's part of a secret conspiracy involving Stephen Hawking, Pope John Paul II, the Saturn 5 Moon Rocket and a packet of gluten-free lentils.

Or perhaps I meant 'reins'...

Originally Posted by DeltaDog

Originally Posted by pombsen-armchair-warrior

Originally Posted by DeltaDog

The issue here isn't the ID cards themselves, but the Orewllian 'National Identity Register'. Still, the Tories have pledged to kick it into touch as soon as they take the reigns, so I wouldn't worry too much...

I didn't know they were Republicans - when did this appear in their manifesto?

It's part of a secret conspiracy involving Stephen Hawking, Pope John Paul II, the Saturn 5 Moon Rocket and a packet of gluten-free lentils.

Or perhaps I meant 'reins'...

That's all right then.

Originally Posted by DeltaDog

The Tories are far from brilliant, but I don't believe their intentions are anything like as frightening as Labour's. They have pledged to scrap the NIR, citing many of the reasons I think it's a bad idea (see here).

Is that anything like Dave's cast-iron guarantee about a referendum on Lisbon?

they are politocos... snakes, not even blessed with t!ts!

Originally Posted by DeltaDog

Originally Posted by walt_of_the_walts

Originally Posted by DeltaDog

The issue here isn't the ID cards themselves, but the Orewllian 'National Identity Register'. Still, the Tories have pledged to kick it into touch as soon as they take the reigns, so I wouldn't worry too much...

A few things.

TheTories still have to win an election. It's not 'their turn' next year.

And if you really believe a bunch of troughing scumbags will do away with a national identity register, think again. They need that register to control the rest of us, and ID those who leak, expose or criticize them.

Whoever wins the next election the NIR is going to happen. They will find a way. The only thing that will stop it will be mass civil disobedience.

The Tories are far from brilliant, but I don't believe their intentions are anything like as frightening as Labour's. They have pledged to scrap the NIR, citing many of the reasons I think it's a bad idea (see here).

The Tories can say what they like in Opposition, but they will likely change their tune when in office. Especially when 'Call me Dave' has a 'tete a tete' with the permanent secretary from MI6/SIS and is told to do whats good for him if he want's to keep any salacious stories about himself or other members his party out of the press. Also there is the small matter of party funding and lobbying from the IT industry who would love to be part of the (un)competitive tendering process.

The NIR is like a nuclear arms race. Because we can do it, we do it. Morally, it might be wrong, and ridiculously expensive, strategically inneffective but pragmatically, it makes sense and is therefore inevitable.

They may not even issue ID cards at first, because there is no need, but a National register linking bits from existing systems (DVLA, PNC, HMRC, banks etc) could be introduced quietly. Without an actual real card to object to it's all a bit abstract and not likely to stir up much of a reaction. You would probably only get a card if you want one,(eg: in lieu of a passport) and then you would have to submit biometric data in person. They would then link it all up with what they already know about you. Job done.

Originally Posted by DeltaDog

It's not an identity card. The ID card is just the tip of the iceberg that is the National Identity Register. The NIR is set to become a very scary database holding intimate details of every single person in the country. Project creep says the information held will snowball until every person in the country has an in-depth intelligence file.

The day the NIR is launched is the day we become property of the state.

And once it's complete, it will be worth Billions.

The personal data of everyone
Their DNA, susceptibility to disease or chronic illnesses
Your personal information from the Census
Your web browsing habits, who you email and when and who you telephone and from where.
Your overseas travel habits
When you travel to the shops and to which ones and how much you spend.


Put all the pieces of the Jigsaw puzzle together and you have a very, very powerful tool. What makes it even more scarier is that they want to make it European wide database with tinpot local authority workers in countless Flip-Flop nations having access to all that information at the click of a mouse. But Hey, it's all in the name of Counter Terrorism, defeating Benefit Fraud and controlling Immigration.

I wonder what excuses this lot gave when they started their reigns of State Control...?

Nickolai Caucescau
Saddam Hussein
Idi Amin
Pol Pot
Robert Mugabe
Kin Jong-II
Than Shwe
Isayas Afewerki

I won't be having one. Don't care if it is illegal not to. If 100,000 say "no" then the system collapses.

Originally Posted by MrPVRd

I won't be having one. Don't care if it is illegal not to. If 100,000 say "no" then the system collapses.

Same here.
I took the time to write to the Home Secretary to tell him so a couple of years back.
I was even polite (mostly).