I suspect that the latest recommendations for MP's expenses and new rules for second homes/mortgages etc is a plot to cause uproar amongst so many MP's that the "obvious" solution is to disband Parliament and complete the Regionalism of Britain by carving England into "Regional Assemblies answerable to Brussels" along with the Assemblies of Ulster, Scotland and Wales. Therefore, all MPs will return home to their respective Regions and the Palace of Westminster will be come the EU Presidential Palace for when the "EU Court" in in the UK! Bloody obvious isn't it??!!

Some may think the ideal complete and utter tosh but I detect the surrender of GB to Brussels to have increased to to a gallop, what with all the crap from Mandleson, the increasing of support for President "Bliar" now backed by Fudger Brown - all without a referendum "as it won't change the way Britain is run"! 'course it won't, we're already run by Brussels! Euro currency by 2015 anybody?

Ah if only it were that easy I'd be happy.........

Why will nobody tell me whether HM The Queen will have to curtsey to Mrs Bliar when the latter named becomes 'First Woman' of Eurineland?

Come on Europhiles - tell us the truth. (Sorry, 'truth' is not done in Eurineland).

Originally Posted by Giancarlo_Badass

I suspect that the latest recommendations for MP's expenses and new rules for second homes/mortgages etc is a plot to cause uproar amongst so many MP's that the "obvious" solution is to disband Parliament and complete the Regionalism of Britain by carving England into "Regional Assemblies answerable to Brussels" along with the Assemblies of Ulster, Scotland and Wales. Therefore, all MPs will return home to their respective Regions and the Palace of Westminster will be come the EU Presidential Palace for when the "EU Court" in in the UK! Bloody obvious isn't it??!!

Some may think the ideal complete and utter tosh but I detect the surrender of GB to Brussels to have increased to to a gallop, what with all the crap from Mandleson, the increasing of support for President "Bliar" now backed by Fudger Brown - all without a referendum "as it won't change the way Britain is run"! 'course it won't, we're already run by Brussels! Euro currency by 2015 anybody?

The way things are going,the Pound will be worth fcuk all by then,anyway.I dare say Mandlson's backhanders are safely deposited in a Swiss munbered account in Euros.

Originally Posted by Giancarlo_Badass

I suspect that the latest recommendations for MP's expenses and new rules for second homes/mortgages etc is a plot to cause uproar amongst so many MP's that the "obvious" solution is to disband Parliament and complete the Regionalism of Britain by carving England into "Regional Assemblies answerable to Brussels" along with the Assemblies of Ulster, Scotland and Wales. Therefore, all MPs will return home to their respective Regions and the Palace of Westminster will be come the EU Presidential Palace for when the "EU Court" in in the UK! Bloody obvious isn't it??!!

The scarey thing is.... That's exactly how they get people to conform to things.
I mean, just look at Iceland (and Ireland's Yes vote) - they're now well up for getting into the big blue bed with the starry duvet - now that it'll "save" them.


I'm also pretty sure that's why Britain's been printing more money and then pretending to wonder why the pound's got weaker.... So we'll agree to join the Euro :(

Originally Posted by lsquared

Why will nobody tell me whether HM The Queen will have to curtsey to Mrs Bliar when the latter named becomes 'First Woman' of Eurineland?

Come on Europhiles - tell us the truth. (Sorry, 'truth' is not done in Eurineland).

I'm still waiting for the answer to the question "Is HMQ an EU citizen beholden to EU law". If the answer is yes then Gordon Brown is guilty of treason and the Lisbon treaty has no standing in law. He cannot sign away her sovereign rights.

Originally Posted by lsquared

Why will nobody tell me whether HM The Queen will have to curtsey to Mrs Bliar when the latter named becomes 'First Woman' of Eurineland?

Come on Europhiles - tell us the truth. (Sorry, 'truth' is not done in Eurineland).

Well, despite being about as Europhile as Nigel Farage, I'll answer.

There's nothing in any of the vast array of bumpf surroudning the Lisbon Const... sorry, Treaty sections which outline the Presidential role to say that the wife (or husband if the President is female) is entitled to a curtsey.

For starters, since when has any President and their other half been entitled to a curtsey? But, let's assume that generations of protocol have been torn up and the President of the European Council is somehow monarchical in power...

First, can you imagine any politician (i.e. the ones who drew the const... sorry, Treaty up) bowing or curtseying to Mrs Blair? Sarkozy, for instance? I think not...

Second, the Danes, Dutch, Spanish and probably the Belgians have at least a reasonable degree of affection for their monarchs. Even the EU would appreciate that the sight of (say) King Juan Carlos being forced to bow to Mrs Blair would do a spot of damage to the image of the office, suggesting a degree of high-handedness.


Third, Mrs Blair may well end up as being the wife of the President of the European Council, but she's still a British subject (whatever she thinks of her position). No British subject is entitled to expect a curtsey from the monarch, no matter what political job they hold - and anyway, since she wouldn't be of regal status, no curtsey would ensue anyway.

Finally, how, exactly, would HMQ be forced to curtsey to Cherie Blair?

It's not legislated for in the Lisbon Treaty, it goes against all protocol, it'd be politically damaging for the EU's image in the nations which have monarchs, it'd be a PR disaster for the Blairs in more than one country and it's impossible to enforce.

Apart from those small obstacles...

I reckon Aunt Betty should just drop the nut on the WMF the first time they meet.

MsG

Originally Posted by CQMS

Originally Posted by lsquared

Why will nobody tell me whether HM The Queen will have to curtsey to Mrs Bliar when the latter named becomes 'First Woman' of Eurineland?

Come on Europhiles - tell us the truth. (Sorry, 'truth' is not done in Eurineland).

I'm still waiting for the answer to the question "Is HMQ an EU citizen beholden to EU law". If the answer is yes then Gordon Brown is guilty of treason and the Lisbon treaty has no standing in law. He cannot sign away her sovereign rights.

There are loads of little niggly bits which seem to be illegal in everything - yet are ignored because MPs and such can do what they wish. And even if people found out they'd simply claim a mistake, and keep in place everything which has sprouted from such a things illegality.

There are even questions about Mr. Obama's presidency being legal or not....

Originally Posted by CQMS

Originally Posted by lsquared

Why will nobody tell me whether HM The Queen will have to curtsey to Mrs Bliar when the latter named becomes 'First Woman' of Eurineland?

Come on Europhiles - tell us the truth. (Sorry, 'truth' is not done in Eurineland).

I'm still waiting for the answer to the question "Is HMQ an EU citizen beholden to EU law". If the answer is yes then Gordon Brown is guilty of treason and the Lisbon treaty has no standing in law. He cannot sign away her sovereign rights.

The official position of HMQ (as on the royal website) is this:

In the case of European Union law, laws are enforced in the United Kingdom through the United Kingdom's national courts. There is therefore no machinery by which European law can be applied to The Queen in her personal capacity.

However, it makes no difference that there is no such mechanism, as The Queen will in any event scrupulously observe the requirements of EU law.

As a national of the United Kingdom, The Queen is a citizen of the European Union, but that in no way affects her prerogatives and responsibilities as the Sovereign.

The last two sections are more for the sake of politeness, since the significant bit is the first paragraph - which in less polite terms equates to "If you think you're applying your piffling little rules to one's personage, Mr Johnny Foreigner, you can, in the words of members of one's armed services, 'do one'".

It should also be noted that several jurists suggest that if a nation turns round and responds to European Court judgements in a manner which ends '...and the horse you rode in on' (the default setting of the French), there's not actually a great deal that the EU can do, especially if the nation inviting them to * off is one of the major financial contributors to the organisation.