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    The SA80 "under fire" again

    Telegraphy Linky - size DOES matter

    "The study, co-written by Nicholas Drummond, a strategy consultant and ex-Welsh Guards officer, described British soldiers' rifles as "not much more useful than a peashooter".

    Taliban marksmen use powerful 7.62mm ammo for their AK47 machine guns, according to a report of the study in The Sun.

    Mr Drummond told the newspaper that a British soldier couldn't attack the Taliban "with any certainty that if he hits the enemy he will kill or incapacitate him."

    The study claims the ammunition is easily stopped by car doors. It added that Javelin anti-tank missiles, costing £100,000 each, are often fired at lone gunmen. Only one in four British, US and German troops has been issued with guns using 7.62mm ammunition.

    The report calls for guns that take larger ammunition to replace all standard-issue SA80 rifles, which many believe were exposed as inadequate in Iraq in 2003. "

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    Re: The SA80 "under fire" again

    Bring back the SLR.
    The old and bold will tell you; It was big and heavy and cumbersome, but you knew it would do the bizz and it could stop an elephant at half a mile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydont
    Bring back the SLR.
    The old and bold will tell you; It was big and heavy and cumbersome, but you knew it would do the bizz and it could stop an elephant at half a mile.
    I recall a Black taxi that had been shot up by 7,62, the rounds had gone through the boot, back seat, the passenger , the bulkhead,the front seat ,the driver, out through the bonnet and on up the street, I dont think a 556 would do that,I know the Mini 14 I had a few years ago would not

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    I always thought another 'plus point' of 5.56 was the interoperability with the rest of NATO. And I'm also fairly sure that a round from a 5.56 would put anyone on their arrse.
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    Re: The SA80 "under fire" again

    Quote Originally Posted by kimmi851

    Taliban marksmen use powerful 7.62mm ammo for their AK47 machine guns, according to a report of the study in The Sun.
    My bold

    Here we go again! 7.62 v 5.56

    Doesn't seam like a huge contradiction - a marksman using a machine gun?

    Written by someone who doesn't know what they’re talking about possibly?
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    Non event. Inaccurate report written by a non-entity.
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    Re: The SA80 "under fire" again

    It will most certainly go through a car door, which means it will also go through an unarmored body.
    The 'dropping' factor of 5,56 is the true question however, but that has been discussed again and again on here.
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    Re: The SA80 "under fire" again

    Seconded, the yanks still use M16's dont they, the froggies use that strange contraption, in fact doesnt al of NATO use 5.56 now ?

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    From " The modern Brotish Army" 1980 The 5.56 mm cartridge has for long been the the subject of controversy, but its success can be measured by its adoption by many nations.The cartridge produces low recoil forces and make it easy to aim and fire and the bullet posses sufficient striking power to DISABLE an opponant at most combat ranges

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