Thread: The SA80 "under fire" again

I repeat a suggestion that I've made before. Trial it in the field. Pick a suitable weapon of larger calibre (that should be fun), train up a couple of sections from a couple of platoons and see how it works out for real. Anything else is largely armchair pub-talk.

Originally Posted by Excognito

I repeat a suggestion that I've made before. Trial it in the field. Pick a suitable weapon of larger calibre (that should be fun), train up a couple of sections from a couple of platoons and see how it works out for real. Anything else is largely armchair pub-talk.

At one time I owned a 7.62 Winchester civilian spec M14 with a S&b scope and a Ruger Mini 14 5,56mm Ranch rifle with same scope mounted and though they were both very accurate weapons I know which one I would use for Homo Sapians 7,62 every time

What are AK47 machine guns?

Originally Posted by Gravelbelly

Originally Posted by tropper66

The only fault was that every time you stripped a SLR you cocked up your sighting

Myth. It would take a seriously sh*gged-out hinge pin to achieve that, i.e. the Armourer wasn't pulling their weight. I was in a unit shooting team, I used to clean mine regularly, and the zero never changed.

Oh - and as a "usual suspect on the shooting forum", I'm obviously weird. I liked SLR, but I liked the SA80 more.

True! :D

M 14 Enhanced Battle Rifle?


http://anarchangel.blogspot.com/2005...tle-rifle.html

http://gdynets.webng.com/ebr.htm

Originally Posted by eveyoz

Isn't the SA80 still prone to stoppages in 'stan?

Yes, if you don't clean it.

Originally Posted by Excognito

I repeat a suggestion that I've made before. Trial it in the field. Pick a suitable weapon of larger calibre (that should be fun), train up a couple of sections from a couple of platoons and see how it works out for real. Anything else is largely armchair pub-talk.

They have, HK417

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

Originally Posted by Excognito

I repeat a suggestion that I've made before. Trial it in the field. Pick a suitable weapon of larger calibre (that should be fun), train up a couple of sections from a couple of platoons and see how it works out for real. Anything else is largely armchair pub-talk.

They have, HK417

Any reports yet? From what I've seen in a 2-minute web-crawl, they appear to be being used as designated sniper or SF weapons; I had general purpose use in mind.

Originally Posted by Yokel

What are AK47 machine guns?

That would be an RPK

Choete industries( If I remember correctly) did some majic black carbon fibre furniture for both the M14 and the Mini 14, on the Mini it realy looked good with the stainless steel abainst the matt black

Yawn, yawn, yawn...

This report seems to suggest that soldeirs armed with rifle are being outshot at 900m by people with AK47?

I would be mightily impressed with anyone able to use AK47 and achieve centre mass hits a t 900m - the sight post is massive for a start and the sights and tolerances of AK are shite for accuracy. Coupled with a bullet whose ballistic performance is poor after c400m and you have some pretty poor reporting.

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

Originally Posted by tropper66

Originally Posted by wet_blobby

It weighed less than the SA80 when it was first introduced, OK, ammo weighed more but when you need less what's the problem?

The only fault was that every time you stripped a SLR you cocked up your sighting, but with some of the state of the art sights now avalable I think it would be the dogs at quite long range

Well one things for sure, if you were 600 yds downrange of me and I was chucking 7.62 rounds in your direction, you'd be left in no doubt I was cross with you even if I was missing. :D

What about this badboy?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...bullpup-rifle/

7.62 and forward eject so that it can be fired from the left shoulder

Out

Just realised that this is shown in another thread (QMs). Sorry for repeat.

Originally Posted by sherbetfountain

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

Originally Posted by tropper66

Originally Posted by wet_blobby

It weighed less than the SA80 when it was first introduced, OK, ammo weighed more but when you need less what's the problem?

The only fault was that every time you stripped a SLR you cocked up your sighting, but with some of the state of the art sights now avalable I think it would be the dogs at quite long range

Well one things for sure, if you were 600 yds downrange of me and I was chucking 7.62 rounds in your direction, you'd be left in no doubt I was cross with you even if I was missing. :D

What about this badboy?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...bullpup-rifle/

7.62 and forward eject so that it can be fired from the left shoulder

Out

Just realised that this is shown in another thread (QMs). Sorry for repeat.

So what ,god I love it but cant put that on my FAC anymore

Now is this a a squaddie urban myth or not?

When I was first trained on a SLR the instructor spieled off all the stuff that the SLR was exceptional at,and either these were correct or every single Unit small arms instructor I later met was in on the same conspiracy.

The SLR could fully penetrate a correctly compacted sandbag,lengthways.

A SLR could penetrate up to 18" of hard wood.

A SLR has a chance of penetrating the armour on a FV432 on the side or rear

FIBUA,the SLR could shoot through double brick walls at peeps hiding at the edge of windows/peepholes and could easily penetrate walls and floors/ceilings.

I never got the chance to try any of that,as I was given the comedy gun SMG when on tour.....are these correct ?

Originally Posted by kimmi851

Telegraphy Linky - size DOES matter

Taliban marksmen use powerful 7.62mm ammo for their AK47 machine guns, ..... Only one in four British, US and German troops has been issued with guns using 7.62mm ammunition.

Lets ignore the fact that 7.62 soviet is a totally different round to 7.62 NATO shall we.