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**Alsacien** · 24-10-2009, 07:56

With the gradual shift of both main parties to the center over the last two decades, the remaining vacuum on the right and left wing is being filled by others.
My morning coffee has just been spoiled by the Telegraph YouGov poll:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...oting-BNP.html
and to confirm:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...ime_Appearance
Seems to me a couple of policy shifts in the Tory manifesto would net a sizeable chunk of voters, most of whom just seem fed up with socialist policies.
The immigration policy revelations are a disgrace to Labour - but their coffin needs no further nails, time for Dave to start fighting an election rather than just fight the Labour party methinks.......
I don't think the Tories need to go that far either, but how far to go before losing the center ground voters?

**the_boy_syrup** · 24-10-2009, 08:10

Dithering Dave is starting to annoy me
As I posted on another thread he seems on a path of self destruction and dosen't want to win
Perhaps he has found out what state the country is in and thought "fukc this"
I know 5 minutes after he says something the Prime Minister announces it as his new policy but he needs to stand up be hard and start addressing these issues

The Goverment are relying on the BNP and other fringe parties nicking Tory votes it's the only hope they have to cling to power

**zazabell_012** · 24-10-2009, 08:11

[quote="Alsacien"]With the gradual shift of both main parties to the center over the last two decades, the remaining vacuum on the right and left wing is being filled by others.
My morning coffee has just been spoiled by the Telegraph YouGov poll:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...oting-BNP.html

Maybe its something they are putting in the water these days! They say history is a great techer, seems to me people have learnt nothing. A vote for the BNP is a vote for the knock at the door in the dead of night. Sadly, that might have to happen in order for some to get the message.

Sorry about your coffee btw

**Applehead** · 24-10-2009, 08:18

Both parties are not addressing why people are voting BNP.. they can do all they want trying to hammer down the BNP... they will keep coming back in till they start addressing why people turn to them. That is how they willbe defeated..

Just glad Nick Griffin is not a charismatic character like Le Penn was in France. Otherwise he may gain more supporters...

**the_boy_syrup** · 24-10-2009, 08:28

Originally Posted by Applehead

Just glad Nick Griffin is not a charismatic character like Le Penn was in France. Otherwise he may gain more supporters...

I should imagine steps will be taken shortly at BNP to rectify that
A bit of softening on policy here and there start capturing the vote

As an aside my mother had the BNP lad knock on the door at the last General Election and he explained who he was (Ex RAF)
She told him I don't agree with your policies
He just said thats fine Ma'am may I leave you a leaflet and left it that

She said he was far better than the Labour bloke who wouldn't shut up even though she answered the door on the phone and despite her libving in an ex council house tried to convince her how better of she was under Gordon and Tony than she had been under Thatcher despite them wrecking her pension and her being worse of than the couple next door who despite her being on the dole for 30 years managed to lift 18k out of Northern Rock when it went under

If the BNP had a bit better policies I can see where some votes would come from

**Alsacien** · 24-10-2009, 08:28

Originally Posted by the_boy_syrup

Dithering Dave is starting to annoy me
As I posted on another thread he seems on a path of self destruction and dosen't want to win
Perhaps he has found out what state the country is in and thought "fukc this"
I know 5 minutes after he says something the Prime Minister announces it as his new policy but he needs to stand up be hard and start addressing these issues

The Goverment are relying on the BNP and other fringe parties nicking Tory votes it's the only hope they have to cling to power

The thought did cross my mind, but I don't buy it looking at the alternatives from Camerons perspective.
I sense more a fear of the rather fickle center ground voters. How do you gauge how much support there really is for rights over justice, tolerance over tradition, etc etc?

**pimpernel** · 24-10-2009, 09:49

Isn't it interesting that the idea of the all women short lists have gone down a real wow, from Blairs Babes to Daves posh totty, watch a U turn on this bit of lunacy.

**jaspery** · 24-10-2009, 10:10

Originally Posted by the_boy_syrup

Originally Posted by Applehead

Just glad Nick Griffin is not a charismatic character like Le Penn was in France. Otherwise he may gain more supporters...

I should imagine steps will be taken shortly at BNP to rectify that
A bit of softening on policy here and there start capturing the vote

As an aside my mother had the BNP lad knock on the door at the last General Election and he explained who he was (Ex RAF)
She told him I don't agree with your policies
He just said thats fine Ma'am may I leave you a leaflet and left it that

She said he was far better than the Labour bloke who wouldn't shut up even though she answered the door on the phone and despite her libving in an ex council house tried to convince her how better of she was under Gordon and Tony than she had been under Thatcher despite them wrecking her pension and her being worse of than the couple next door who despite her being on the dole for 30 years managed to lift 18k out of Northern Rock when it went under

If the BNP had a bit better policies I can see where some votes would come from

The BNP are being attacked internally etc by the security services. Been happening for quite a while...

Proper debate CANT happen because they'v got lots of enemies attacking them endlessly while the likes of you think they need to change when they are in a defensive position. Understand?.

**jaspery** · 24-10-2009, 10:21

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by the_boy_syrup

Dithering Dave is starting to annoy me
As I posted on another thread he seems on a path of self destruction and dosen't want to win
Perhaps he has found out what state the country is in and thought "fukc this"
I know 5 minutes after he says something the Prime Minister announces it as his new policy but he needs to stand up be hard and start addressing these issues

The Goverment are relying on the BNP and other fringe parties nicking Tory votes it's the only hope they have to cling to power

The thought did cross my mind, but I don't buy it looking at the alternatives from Camerons perspective.
I sense more a fear of the rather fickle center ground voters. How do you gauge how much support there really is for rights over justice, tolerance over tradition, etc etc?

Principles, otherwise everyone in this land is in deeply dangerous doo doo. We're all in deep shit.

**seaweed** · 24-10-2009, 10:39

The last time a Labour canvasser came to my door I told him to get his filthy Bolshevik feet off my nice clean garden path. I now realise that was very wrong of me, and I should have engaged him in discussion - for a very, very long time so that I wasted the max amount of his time and bggered up the rest of his evening's work.