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24-10-2009, 14:48 #16
Re: Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?
I hope he is
Originally Posted by lsquared
Whoever wins the next election will need to make Thatcher look like a girl guide to get this country back on it's feetWe should remember the tremendous contribution of the Queen Mother to the war effort:
As the BBC pointed out, she 'bravely remained in London beside her husband' during the war.
This contrasts sharply with the actions of my grandfather who, on the declaration of war immediately left his wife and children and pissed off, first to France, then North Africa, Italy, France (again) and finally Germany.
The shame will always be with us.
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24-10-2009, 15:03 #17
Re: Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?
The only person from the Tories who I've seen give a good attempt at discussing any of the major issues most people seem concerned about is Baroness Warsi. For a lawyer she talks a lot of sense and has the balls to mix it with anyone including her own party. Maybe Dave ought to move over and let her have a crack at defining policy.
Originally Posted by the_boy_syrup
"A man may fight for many things. His country, his friends, his principles, the glistening tear on the cheek of a golden child. But personally, I'd mud-wrestle my own mother for a ton of cash, an amusing clock and a sackful of porn."
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24-10-2009, 15:04 #18
Re: Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?
As I've said before.it would be interesting if Labour were re-elected.Then we would see how they get us out of the messs we are in.
Older,but no wiser.
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24-10-2009, 15:19 #19
Re: Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?
Trouble is I can't help thinking Warsi is a plant
Originally Posted by Baldrick66
She lost the Election in her home town by 5000 votes to Sahid Malik (Labour)
She then claimed Lord Ahmed (Labour) helped her during her campaign
She upset Stonewall with her veiws on Homosexuals
She's on record as saying some off the things that the BNP said made sense
Then she worked for Michael Howard and presto hey she's Baroness Warsi
Like alot of the women Cameron is on about sticking in safe seats she ticks alot of boxesWe should remember the tremendous contribution of the Queen Mother to the war effort:
As the BBC pointed out, she 'bravely remained in London beside her husband' during the war.
This contrasts sharply with the actions of my grandfather who, on the declaration of war immediately left his wife and children and pissed off, first to France, then North Africa, Italy, France (again) and finally Germany.
The shame will always be with us.
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24-10-2009, 15:25 #20
Re: Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?
That she does mate, but as I said I've seen her speak a few times and she seems to speak her own mind rather than tow any particular party line. She may be a plant and there may be an underlying agenda, but she makes all the right noises and isn't afraid of rubbing people up the wrong way by reasoned debate rather than rhetoric. It will be interesting to see where her career takes her.
Originally Posted by the_boy_syrup
"A man may fight for many things. His country, his friends, his principles, the glistening tear on the cheek of a golden child. But personally, I'd mud-wrestle my own mother for a ton of cash, an amusing clock and a sackful of porn."
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24-10-2009, 17:32 #21
Re: Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?
Labour are Bolsheviks? Their aim is the revolutionary overthrow of the system in favour of a proletariat-run country. I think not.
Originally Posted by seaweed
I think our current government is probably a muddled amalgam of ultra-liberalism and hypocrisy-on-a-stick, but they're certainly not Bolsheviks."I firmly believe that we should not march into Baghdad. To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day Arab hero. Assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerrilla war." George Bush Snr, A World Transformed, 1998
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24-10-2009, 18:00 #22
Re: Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?
Wake up Dave?!?!
Fcuk off Dave more like.
The dozy ponce wants women-only shortlists, doesn't have a word to say about immigration, has got more 'quiff' than Blair and not one solitary noteworthy policy but a gazzillion soundbites.
Fcuk'im and give me 'The English Democrats' any day of the week.Join me on HoboWars!
Originally Posted by Adam Smith - 1776
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24-10-2009, 19:39 #23
Re: Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?
Someone needs to poke him in the ribs when he comes out with something a bit bone - but the boy is young...
Originally Posted by Biped
You are taking the pish I hope.
The English Democrats - candidate Gary Bushnell (yes that Sun columist bloke):
http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/i...=123&Itemid=71
"Garry organises an annual Variety Show each year on St Georges Day (23 April) at the Circus Tavern in Purfleet, Essex"
When someone puts that on their CV on their party website, you really have to wonder what his other skills are :D
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24-10-2009, 20:05 #24
Re: Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?
agreed....
Originally Posted by Biped
My prediction a while back..... Tory Dave will be a 1 term PM.... within which we'll see minor parties gain a foot hold in British politics (including BNP, should they find a 'pubic friendly & charasmatic leader), as more people realise the main parties are just not offering what the public want.
Oh... and Obama, my prediction, will also be a 1 term President.....
*back in my box.
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24-10-2009, 21:56 #25Senior Member
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Re: Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?
"Oh... and Obama, my prediction, will also be a 1 term President"
Must agree.
My question is will Dave be a 1st termmer or will he blow it.
john
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24-10-2009, 21:59 #26
Re: Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?
Originally Posted by Ancient_Mariner
Yes, I'd do that and I'd also bring in a form of PR voting.
Labour don't win the popular vote in the UK, with a PR system they would become extinct overnight as a political party as the Tories and Liberals sweep up 60-70% of the vote between and turn them into seats.Think of a herd of cats briefly all moving in the same direction due to a random quantum fluctuation...
"It costs money to have children...if you don't have any....then don't have them. It is THAT simple. " - Mr_Deputy
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25-10-2009, 03:35 #27
Re: Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?
I think we should nail this Union donations myth once and for all.
IF the part of the members donation is looked on as a block payment by the union, then all the union will do is make sure that the member agrees to make a donation (or not) to the Labour party. Collected and delivered by the union, but donated by the individual member.
Thus the unions will not b donating, but facilitating the donations of individuals.
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25-10-2009, 08:21 #28
Re: Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?
I'm not daft - but I've read your post 3 times now and don't have a clue what you are trying to say.
Originally Posted by Whet
I do know that unions get their money from members, and that unions pay a hefty chunk of that money to the Labour party to ruin the country.
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25-10-2009, 08:50 #29
Re: Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?
So no bloc voting then on Labour agendas. Also, I presume that when a 'member' joins a union, they have to formally give consent for a part of their union fee to become a donation to the Labour party, or is consent assumed?
Originally Posted by Whet
Do the unions ever lie about where the money goes?Join me on HoboWars!
Originally Posted by Adam Smith - 1776
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25-10-2009, 12:30 #30
Re: Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?
Let's be honest New Labor are hardly Reds, much of the party is often ideologically indistinguishable from their Tory foes. To pretend otherwise is to indulge in the narcissism of small differences.
Originally Posted by PoisonDwarf
New Labor as configured today indulge in the odd bit of culture warfare but rarely even pay lip service to Socialist ideals. Brown in fact has been rather eager advocate of importing very questionable intrusions of commerce into the public sector from across the pond. Pork fueled PPIs and private sector efficiencies were what possessed him.
In the 90s New Labor reinvented themselves as a risk adverse, business friendly party once glossily personified by Tony Blair. It was a winning formula for an ideologically apathetic and safety obsessed electorate. Now after over a decades crony serving stasis that timid centrism is smeared all over Brown and it stinks of corruption.
If anything what they are is the real inheritors of the Whig tradition. Yerman Scruton had this to say about their ilk:
It was fiercely partisan and righteously judgemental, dividing the personnel of the past into the good and the bad. And it did so on the basis of the marked preference for liberal and progressive causes, rather than conservative and reactionary ones. [...] Whig history was, in short, an extremely biassed view of the past: eager to hand out moral judgements, and distorted by teleology, anachronism and present-mindedness.That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on!
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