Originally Posted by Mr_Bridger

I'm not sure on the immigration side of things (and the underlying motives!), but in terms of stripping out elements of prison life, he'd get my vote any day. Thoughts?

Just one. You're an idiot.

So far, Maricopa County paid out more than $50-million to settle lawsuits filed by people who crossed his path and were made sick, crippled, hurt or died as a result. In fact, there are so many lawsuits the county’s liability insurance carrier upped the deductible five fold, to $5-million per action. Yet many of the suits were easily avoided: One diabetic prisoner died in custody after Arpaio’s jailers denied the woman access to her prescribed insulin.

Part of the problem is that Arpaio tolerates violence by his officers against prisoners; in fact, one deputy with whom I spoke says he actively encourages it. He told me, “If you don’t rough up prisoners, Arpaio doesn’t think you’re doing your job.

“And we (the sheriff’s department) seem to attract a lot of violent officers,” he adds ruefully.

As a result, the list of victims is sickeningly endless:

* Charles Agster, a 33-year-old mentally handicapped man, died in the county jail three days after being forced by sheriff’s officers into a restraint chair and placed in a “spit hood” when he suffered a seizure. He was declared brain dead three days later and a jury awarded his parents $9-million.
* Scott Norberg, a former Brigham Young University football player, died after detention officers shocked him several times with a stun-gun. According Amnesty International, Norberg was already handcuffed and face down when officers dragged him from his cell and placed him in a restraint chair with a towel covering his face for the electrocution. After Norberg’s corpse was discovered, deputies accused Norberg of attacking them, overlooking the fact that he was handcuffed at the time. The county settled a lawsuit for $8.25-million.
* Brian Crenshaw, a legally blind and mentally disabled inmate, suffered fatal injuries while being held in Maricopa County Jail. Crenshaw’s family filed a lawsuit which resulted in a $2 million award. As in the Norberg case, Arpaio’s office was accused of destroying evidence.
* Richard Post was a parapalegic inmate arrested for possessing marijuana. He was placed in a restraint chair by guards and his neck was broken in the process. The event, caught on video, shows guards smiling and laughing while Post is being injured, which cost him the use of his arms. The now-qualrapelegic Post settled for $800,000.
* Jeremy Flanders, an inmate at Tent City, was attacked with rebar tent stakes which were not concreted into the ground. Although these stakes had been used as weapons in a previous riot at the facility, Arpaio chose not to secure them properly. During the trial, the plaintiff argued successfully the sheriff and his deputies knew that prisoners used rebar as weapons and did nothing to prevent it. Flanders suffered permanent brain damage as a result of the attack. He was awarded $635,532, of which Arpaio was held personally responsible for 35%.

These are not isolated incidents of “a few bad apples.” Much of the department is as rotten as its sheriff and the Maricopa County court files are stuffed full of literally hundreds of similar cases involving sheriff office abuse.

As a result, the Justice Dept. is now conducting an intense investigation of Arpaio and his department.

Let me guess, the baby was criminal scum too and deserved to die...

Tough and fair justice is one thing, violating constitutional rights of pre-trial detainees, and killing inmates through negligence? Keep him far away in Arizona!

Originally Posted by dogmeat

Originally Posted by Mr_Bridger

I'm not sure on the immigration side of things (and the underlying motives!), but in terms of stripping out elements of prison life, he'd get my vote any day. Thoughts?

Just one. You're an idiot.

So far, Maricopa County paid out more than $50-million to settle lawsuits filed by people who crossed his path and were made sick, crippled, hurt or died as a result. In fact, there are so many lawsuits the county’s liability insurance carrier upped the deductible five fold, to $5-million per action. Yet many of the suits were easily avoided: One diabetic prisoner died in custody after Arpaio’s jailers denied the woman access to her prescribed insulin.

Part of the problem is that Arpaio tolerates violence by his officers against prisoners; in fact, one deputy with whom I spoke says he actively encourages it. He told me, “If you don’t rough up prisoners, Arpaio doesn’t think you’re doing your job.

“And we (the sheriff’s department) seem to attract a lot of violent officers,” he adds ruefully.

As a result, the list of victims is sickeningly endless:

* Charles Agster, a 33-year-old mentally handicapped man, died in the county jail three days after being forced by sheriff’s officers into a restraint chair and placed in a “spit hood” when he suffered a seizure. He was declared brain dead three days later and a jury awarded his parents $9-million.
* Scott Norberg, a former Brigham Young University football player, died after detention officers shocked him several times with a stun-gun. According Amnesty International, Norberg was already handcuffed and face down when officers dragged him from his cell and placed him in a restraint chair with a towel covering his face for the electrocution. After Norberg’s corpse was discovered, deputies accused Norberg of attacking them, overlooking the fact that he was handcuffed at the time. The county settled a lawsuit for $8.25-million.
* Brian Crenshaw, a legally blind and mentally disabled inmate, suffered fatal injuries while being held in Maricopa County Jail. Crenshaw’s family filed a lawsuit which resulted in a $2 million award. As in the Norberg case, Arpaio’s office was accused of destroying evidence.
* Richard Post was a parapalegic inmate arrested for possessing marijuana. He was placed in a restraint chair by guards and his neck was broken in the process. The event, caught on video, shows guards smiling and laughing while Post is being injured, which cost him the use of his arms. The now-qualrapelegic Post settled for $800,000.
* Jeremy Flanders, an inmate at Tent City, was attacked with rebar tent stakes which were not concreted into the ground. Although these stakes had been used as weapons in a previous riot at the facility, Arpaio chose not to secure them properly. During the trial, the plaintiff argued successfully the sheriff and his deputies knew that prisoners used rebar as weapons and did nothing to prevent it. Flanders suffered permanent brain damage as a result of the attack. He was awarded $635,532, of which Arpaio was held personally responsible for 35%.

These are not isolated incidents of “a few bad apples.” Much of the department is as rotten as its sheriff and the Maricopa County court files are stuffed full of literally hundreds of similar cases involving sheriff office abuse.

As a result, the Justice Dept. is now conducting an intense investigation of Arpaio and his department.

And the moral is: don't do the Crime and you wont do the Time.

If Maricopa County Sheriffs were routinely abusing hundreds of INNOCENT people, then I'd see the problem. As long as they are only abusing/killing convicted criminals, I'm afraid I'm getting no reading on the Give-A-Fcuk-O-Metre.

Originally Posted by Werewolf

If Maricopa County Sheriffs were routinely abusing hundreds of INNOCENT people, t

See above.

That would be true if everyone got that treatment equally. Except it's the mentally/physically disabled who seem to be dying, and some of them for the possession of marijuana. Why don't you be consistent, and advocate death sentences for all felonies, rather than leaving it to chance by location (in Maricopa County) and physical ability?

Originally Posted by Grapevine

Originally Posted by Werewolf

If Maricopa County Sheriffs were routinely abusing hundreds of INNOCENT people, t

See above.

That would be true if everyone got that treatment equally. Except it's the mentally/physically disabled who seem to be dying, and some of them for the possession of marijuana. Why don't you be consistent, and advocate death sentences for all felonies, rather than leaving it to chance by location (in Maricopa County) and physical ability?

Darwinism. Sheriff Joe and his Merry Men have been around for a while. Their reputation is well known. Frankly, commiting an arrestable offence in Maricopa County ranks with breaking into houses in Texas for sheer stupidity.

Originally Posted by Werewolf

If Maricopa County Sheriffs were routinely abusing hundreds of INNOCENT people, then I'd see the problem.

Look up Sherrif Joe's wonderful MRSA distribution scheme - anyone who comes into contact with his prisoners is at risk, as are their families. I'd imagine that could easily run into hundreds.

So even though the thought of all that discipline is giving you a semi, Sherrif Joe's probably not the guy you want to bring you off. Even if he does do it with a tazer.

Originally Posted by dogmeat

Originally Posted by Werewolf

If Maricopa County Sheriffs were routinely abusing hundreds of INNOCENT people, then I'd see the problem.

Look up Sherrif Joe's wonderful MRSA distribution scheme - anyone who comes into contact with his prisoners is at risk, as are their families. I'd imagine that could easily run into hundreds.

So even though the thought of all that discipline is giving you a semi, Sherrif Joe's probably not the guy you want to bring you off. Even if he does do it with a tazer.

Oh well - at the least the dead ones don't spread anything.

Or re-offend, for that matter.

Originally Posted by dogmeat

Originally Posted by Mr_Bridger

I'm not sure on the immigration side of things (and the underlying motives!), but in terms of stripping out elements of prison life, he'd get my vote any day. Thoughts?

Just one. You're an idiot.

...re read my post.

Originally Posted by dogmeat

Originally Posted by Werewolf

If Maricopa County Sheriffs were routinely abusing hundreds of INNOCENT people, then I'd see the problem.

Look up Sherrif Joe's wonderful MRSA distribution scheme - anyone who comes into contact with his prisoners is at risk, as are their families. I'd imagine that could easily run into hundreds.

So even though the thought of all that discipline is giving you a semi, Sherrif Joe's probably not the guy you want to bring you off. Even if he does do it with a tazer.

Obviously he needs to start hosing the convicts down with a firehose and domestos. And their living quarters...

The serving members of this site have probably lived in similar or worse conditions (abbatoir in Bosnia perhaps) and not come down with galloping lurgy. The convicts in the tent jail should be able to cope with basic hygiene issues.

finally. MRSA gave the lawyer a few heads up inthe two weeks she wandered about, to busy to give a fcuk about her 'pimple' on her arm.

If she ended up on a drip it obviously entered her bloodstream from her skin problems. This would be AFTER one or more of the following probably presented themselves....

boils (infection of the hair follicles),
abscesses (pockets of pus under the skin),
styes (infection of the eyelid glands),
carbuncles (large pus-filled lumps under the skin),
cellulitis (infection of the deep layer of the skin and the fat and tissues that lie beneath), and
impetigo (a highly contagious skin infection that produces blisters).

An MRSA-infected wound will become red, swollen and tender, with yellow pus seeping from it. Skin ulcers, such as pressure ulcers, are often sites of infection.

From the NHS site.

In the case of the lawyer, it is highly likely (if the rule is in place in Arizona) that she was breaking her HMO 'prudent person pre-existing condition' clause that basically says... if you think you're ill go to hospital, or you may not get insurance again. Although it is 'pre-existing' it can also cover illnesses that should have been seen to earlier rather than later.

As mentioned above, Joe has been Sheriff how long? And still people are too stupid to stop breaking the law. Fcuking amazing.