Thread: Armed plod on routine foot patrols!

Originally Posted by Ace_Rimmer

In the article it says they are equipped with MP5s "capable of 800 rounds a minute"

I thought the police weapons were all modified to be single shot only?

They do/are, but anyone can log onto worldguns/wiki

Spotter mode engaging....man at the front has a standard Armalite derivative not a 416, seems a bit, 'bling' that he has the RIS unit, the 10.5'' barrel set up, a grippod (like whats been introduced with the L85 railed front end) and aimpoint red dot (front scope) and then a flip to side magnifier (rear scope) to boot! And he has Magpul P-mags too...I can see the practical reason for them but when the G36C is in the same calibre and has translucent mags as well it seems a bit odd to have two types of weapon in the armoury. Only thing is I imagine a blinged out M4 would cost as much as an out the box G36 from H&K.

Having lived in Moss Side during the early years of my short life I don't recall seeing armed police but then I was on the outer edge of the really rough bit..ah well, lets just hope in a few months we don't hear a news report of Plod leaving something bangy in a chippy/Gregs/Currys

Another gun spotter here!

Definitely HKs, had to check for various barrel lengths and calibers, but of course H&K makes it just how you like, provided you buy them in large enough series.
The journo writing the piece has obviously been on the Met's web-pages and quoted, almost verbatim, the spiel on G17 and MP5s, but whoever picked the picture out of archives must have picked one from trials of sorts.
Of course, there's a huge difference between a 9x19 mill short sub-machine gun, through 5.56x45 mill to 7.62x51 (HK417) assault rifle.

here's the link to the manufacturer's glossy pages:

http://www.hkd-usa.com/Assault_rifles

Have a hard time figuring out the TTPs of UK armed police, but I know what I would bring to an inner city gang/turf war!

Gun spotter mode off.

I assume the gun piccies were stock images,and not a reference to the article.

MP5 Carbines are more common I think, but select-fire versions are in use too - I assume the same applies to the 5.56 carbines, which are no doubt being chosen following the lead of US law enforcement types who say that 9mm (especially FMJ) is actually much more of an overpenetration risk than (at least fragmenting or expanding rounds in) 5.56.

I've often wondered about the double magazines too. Like others, can't help wondering whether there's an "ally" factor at play.

Originally Posted by Monty417

18 Met cops with guns to cover the main areas of gun crime ie:

Hackney, Lambeth, Southwark,
Haringey, Waltham Forest, Lewisham,
Brent, Tower Hamlets, Newham, Islington,
Greenwich, Ealing, Barking & Dagenham
Hammersmith & Fulham, Enfield,
Camden, Wandsworth, Redbridge,
Croydon & Merton.

It's a start I suppose.

That's alledgely 18 on foot, but there are always gunships provided by SO19 and SO6 doing the rounds, (excuse the pun). Armed response is never far away especially in Central London.

Originally Posted by vvaannmmaann

I assume the gun piccies were stock images,and not a reference to the article.

Yep, stock images. The officers in the piccies aren't even Met bobbies.

Did Operation Trident not include armed routine patrols?

Originally Posted by irlsgt

Did Operation Trident not include armed routine patrols?

And armed officers at Heathrow etc. even supported by the army at times, so I don't see what the big deal is about having routinely armed officers on the street.

Originally Posted by Dogdrool

Originally Posted by spiffy

I don't understand why the police need guns the Government banned guns so there can't be any gun crime, just like they banned carrying knives and now there's no knife crime.

every thing all pink and rose tinted where you live then?

Ahem. I think its called irony, or is it sarcasm.

Got to keep the public scared…

Oldest trick in the tyrants book.

Originally Posted by brummieboy1

Originally Posted by Dogdrool

Originally Posted by spiffy

I don't understand why the police need guns the Government banned guns so there can't be any gun crime, just like they banned carrying knives and now there's no knife crime.

every thing all pink and rose tinted where you live then?

Ahem. I think its called irony, or is it sarcasm.

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Nice thread though, the Government could ban all crime so there will be no more crime. Save us tax payers a fortune

A number of things, firstly, UK Police AFO's don't have 'rules of engagement', they use the 'Conflict Management Model' to ensure that the force option they choose, lethal or otherwise is lawful and proportionate to the threat posed at the time, they must then justify their actions in law.

Secondly no 'Home Office' forces have 'fire selectors', all their long arms are 'carbines', in that they are single shot only, though at least one Non HO forces does have automatic weaponary (CNC).

Lastly this is not a new tactic a number of forces with a 'standing authority' have been doing it for years.

The picture titles speak for themselves ... (?)

I can't see anything wrong with this. The PSNI have 9,200 officers, every one of whom is routinely armed, and it doesn't affect their performance.

Perhaps if all PCs were conversant with firearms from day 1 of week 1 we might not have SFOs shooting people in lessons or DPG officers leaving pistols in Starbucks...

Originally Posted by Arankay

A number of things, firstly, UK Police AFO's don't have 'rules of engagement', they use the 'Conflict Management Model' to ensure that the force option they choose, lethal or otherwise is lawful and proportionate to the threat posed at the time, they must then justify their actions in law.

Secondly no 'Home Office' forces have 'fire selectors', all their long arms are 'carbines', in that they are single shot only, though at least one Non HO forces does have automatic weaponary (CNC).

Lastly this is not a new tactic a number of forces with a 'standing authority' have been doing it for years.

True, but a bit boring and restrictive though well meant