Originally Posted by Fat_Cav

I wonder if Jack reminded Peter Hain about free speech, re the Daily Hate/Stephen Gately article? Or even the Communists/Marxist/Left-wing extremists posing as UAF either? Is free speech only OK if you're left of centre?

Completely agree. As the UAF have said before:

“We don’t believe in free speech – for facists”

According to the Guardian, this rabble were chanting "Build a bonfire, build a bonfire, put Nick Griffin on the top, put the Nazis in the middle and burn the fucking lot." Guardian website If the BNP were singing about cremating Jews, how would that go down?

When the English Defence League takes to the streets, it's 'rioting' but when the UAF do it, apparently it's 'direct action' and not the same at all. They're two sides of the same coin - streetfighting mobs who waste police time and public money.

No MP should have anything to do with the antifascist mob, they're fundamentally undemocratic and all they do is stir up support for the BNP with their actions. If I was political I'd be lobbying David Cameron to remove his support from these hooligans.

Over 8 million people watched that pantomime, the BBC are laughing their C**** off

Originally Posted by vvaannmmaann

Pleased to say I didn't watch it.

I wonder what this has done for QT viewing figures?

Over 8 million, up over50% on the normal

Well, pretty much formulaic but one or two surprises:

Nick Griffin - Inappropriate smiles, facial twitching and that unfortunate eye and an overeagerness to appear 'friendly' made him extremely creepy. At first I thought his "I can't tell you why I denied the Holocaust" was an admission of the belief suspension that is required to deny the event, it is unexplainable, but no he was trying to make out that he was being gagged by Europe, not so as the Lisbon Treaty has not yet been ratified. He strove to make himself appear a reasonable man.

Jack Straw - His diatribe and long-winded overblown rhetoric would put an insomniac in a deep coma after 20 seconds. He started blaming the Tory Government of Harold McMillan when asked about modern immigration policy - even Dimbleby had had enough by that time. He came across as useless, totally out of touch and very much yesterday's man. I couldn't get over the fact that he was of Jewish decent yet his father refused to fight Hitler (absolutely nothing to do with the debate but still stuck in my mind).

Chris Huhne - A total waste of space and the only 'fleshed' thing he came out with flew in the face of official Lib Dem policy.

Bonnie Greer - Good old down to earth American folksy with a bit of humour who realised that rising to the bait would get her nowhere - came out with the quote of the show to me about wait and see what happens to the BNP when they have to open up membership, classic.

Sayeeda Warsi was magnificent and the only panellist who had a clue what the real issue was last night. She was the only one who put up any sort of a credible argument and who strove to tackle the issues. Her remark about Asylum Seekers: She is a lawyer and a politician she cannot talk about bogus asylum seekers, asylum seeker is a legal term for someone seeking asylum, is she had made it plain that what was referred to as bogus asylum seekers were in fact failed asylum seekers she would have done far better. She had obviously come prepared to debate the issues - good for her.

David Dimbleby - I thought he did a reasonable task of trying to get some of the issues condensed, if he hadn't fired a few points at Griffin the whole programme would have dragged on about the one point. He did his best to get Straw to answer a question succinctly, a near impossible task which he handled reasonably well.

The Audience - Inevitably the right-on crowd would have clamoured to get tickets. Some seemed to be outdoing each other to spit their hatred at Griffin, all well and good for scoring points in the wine bar afterwards but did nothing to get Griffin to expose himself on TV. The one who said "where would you send me, the South Pole?" just played into Griffin's hands because all he had to say was what he did: no no I would love you to stay here. I now also know that I'm a racist thug because I have always referred to people as Afro-Caribbean instead of African-Caribbean.

The BNP gets support because ordinary people are able to suspend belief and believe the convenient lie fed by Griffin that the BNP aren't racist because there is a widespread concern about unfettered immigration in this country. The BBC ran an article on the news the other day that a female job candidate with an Asian sounding name had a 1 in 16 chance of being picked for interview whereas the same CV with an English sounding name got a 1 in 9 chance, this rather dispels the 'coming over here taking our jobs' jargonese so beloved of the Mail but only Warsi sought to engage on the one issue that is drawing voters to the BNP.

On the Steven Gately issue I am amazed that the whole panel had read the Mail article. In fact I find it hard to believe unless they had been given some sort of heads up or they were lying. Personally I believe Dimbleby when he said the panellists didn't know what the questions would be (some were obvious anyway) because if the did know then they did a piss poor performance of dealing with them.

On the whole my prediction was fairly accurate, Straw, Huhne and the audience would have gifted Griffin an easy victory had not Warsi engaged on the issues at hand.


Whet: Last week when QT was in Hull my mate attended. The audience had to be sat down by 6, a short warm up and the guests introduced, then they warm up with a question from the audience and after that first question filming starts and the programme begins. Why you had to divert the thread with that stupid persual of Colton is beyond me other than you were desperate to cover up for a ,frankly, appalling display by your Lib Dem representative.

I actually thought she did quite well, and her points about the Romans leaving their citizens to 'hook up' with the local 'indigenous populace' was excellent. Britain is already a mongrel nation, and the messages about that are overshadowing people's genuine concerns about uncontrolled immigration and lack of tracking of asylum seekers and illegals once they are here.

As usual, I found myself agreeing with bits of what each of them said. And disagreeing with bits of what each of them said.

I do think it was the right thing to get Griffin on the programme, if only to shoot down his 'made up facts'. All the panellists had done their research, and were able to use logic and reason to do just that. Those who deny him a platform are denying the rest of us the ability to use debate to diminish his power.

I didn't hear the programme but the BBC is 'full of it' on the wireless this morning. From the snippets emerging it appears to have been a 'get the BNP' show.

The appallingly awful Hain has been 'smarming' all over the air-waves with his self-righteous indignation - are there no limits to the depths of unpopularity this ghastly man will plumb? If this piece of canine excrement is angered by the programme it must have been good and worth listening to.

I suspect that the poster 'S_McL' has summed the farce up more than adequately in his post.

'Clown' Brown and his master - Mr. Mandelson - must be furious that their Propaganda Department gave air time to a man whose Party polled 943,000 votes in the Euroswine Elections in June.

It would be so good if the BNP polled more votes than the CWU - sorry - the Labour Party in the next General Election.

Pa Cyclops McRuin sold all Neues Arbeit 'Moral Compasses' years ago..... Mr Straw, if he wants another one, will have to go down to 'Cash Converters' to see if he can find one suitable... Maybe Mr B'Liars 'Moral Compass' has turned up there.....

However, it will be like one of the 'Genuine Expensive' watches that 'Johny Foreigner' sells you as you trip through the Suez Canal.... It ain't got no moving parts inside it..... Just like Neues Arbeit...... all fu' o shoi'te....

...( all alleged of course.....) :P :P

20 minutes.
Got bored.
"Click"
Bed.

As I have said in a 'sister thread', if the programme annoyed the vile, sanctimonious piece of canine excrement Hain, then it must have been a good show and worth hearing.

Clearly, this programme offended the repellent Hain's sensibility towards the concept of FREEDOM OF THOUGHT and SPEECH which has not quite been outlawed in this sad and badly governed country.

I don't really know much about Mr. Griffin or the BNP but I do know that Hain represents in Spades the best reason imaginable to vote against the duplicitous and deceitful Labour Party.

Originally Posted by jagman

That because in order for us to be the compliant muli-cultural society the state demands we are to be then our culture and values need to be modified.
This is why being British is racist but being Asian British or African British or Martian British is something to be proud of. Just being plain old fashioned British is frowned upon.

I class myself as British, English by birth but Irish by descent.

I feel the main problem is that 'English' or 'British' are seen as exclusive by many, promulgated by the likes of Straw.

When I say English or British I mean anyone, no matter what their colour or religion who was either born here of who holds citizenship. If anyone who does not fulfil that criteria; commits a crime or wants to preach hatred and unrest or even just sponge off the state then I feel they should go and live elsewhere. If you live here and are a citizen you have the right to criticise if you aren't a citizen then you have the right to leave so kindly do so.