A Question of Question Time

**Markintime** · 23-10-2009, 10:49

Originally Posted by Grownup_Rafbrat

Have to agree withe tropper. The BBC have been making this their lead news item for too long now. They should not BE the news, but should report it. Enough, already! FFS even the Jeremy Vine show is going to cover it. Griffin must be loving it!

Keep reporting on MPs expenses, House of Lords nonsense and the loss of civil freedoms being passed into law!

Sorry, GRb, I've always been an admirer but I feel you're wrongly blaming the BBC here, or at least being a tad unfair:

The BNP have been given a national platform to air their policies. They were not granted this by the BBC they were given a mandate by the people who voted for them and put them on the (legitimate) political map. That they have been given this platform is not only news it is history, as in a historical fact. The BBC by its charter must fairly represent the British People and that means anyone that is given legitimacy by the British People has a right to stand up and say their piece, the BBC don't have the right to prevent democratically elected representatives from spewing forth their bile (I wish they did - no Geo Galloway and no Neo Griffin).

**Closet_Jibber** · 23-10-2009, 11:08

A majority leftist audience no doubt hand picked to ensure that our chance to give Nick Griffin a stage with which to destroy himself on was stolen.

What a waste of time.

Never on a normal episode of question time would Jack Straw have recieved such support and how dare he bring up WW2.

Those who recognise this picture know what I mean:

**Grownup_Rafbrat** · 23-10-2009, 11:14

Originally Posted by Markintime

Originally Posted by Grownup_Rafbrat

Have to agree withe tropper. The BBC have been making this their lead news item for too long now. They should not BE the news, but should report it. Enough, already! FFS even the Jeremy Vine show is going to cover it. Griffin must be loving it!

Keep reporting on MPs expenses, House of Lords nonsense and the loss of civil freedoms being passed into law!

Sorry, GRb, I've always been an admirer but I feel you're wrongly blaming the BBC here, or at least being a tad unfair:

The BNP have been given a national platform to air their policies. They were not granted this by the BBC they were given a mandate by the people who voted for them and put them on the (legitimate) political map. That they have been given this platform is not only news it is history, as in a historical fact. The BBC by its charter must fairly represent the British People and that means anyone that is given legitimacy by the British People has a right to stand up and say their piece, the BBC don't have the right to prevent democratically elected representatives from spewing forth their bile (I wish they did - no Geo Galloway and no Neo Griffin).

Sorry, MIT, I think I wasn't clear in my post. I absolutely agree that Mr Griffin should have been asked onto the programme, and with all you say about fair representation of all the political spectrum. In my posts I've said that we as a people need to hear all the arguments and decide for ourselves, not have some organisations gagged in case they 'corrupt' us.

What's gripping me is that the BBC have reported this as their main headline for the best part of a week now. Is that news, or advertising? And what's happening to all the other news that's being shoved out of the headlines while they spend half of every news programme reporting on their own activities? And how much more publicity are they going to give themselves, when it's the topic of all their phone-in shows as well?

If they gave the same oxygen of publicity to the stupid laws about CRB checks for taking your mates' children to clubs, or poor immigration controls, or surveillance, or MPs allowances, maybe we wouldn't have had so many stupid and evil laws passed in the last ten years.

**Barrack Room Lawyer** · 23-10-2009, 11:17

Originally Posted by Biped

Originally Posted by Roger_The_Cat

Britain did not go to war to fight Fascism shewent to war in response to an act of aggression on Poland. A country that, along with France, had joined us in treaty. The fact that we were fighting Fascists is entirely coincidental. We could have been fighting Orcs or Clowns.

When I say we I mean those of us that can honestly say that our Fathers joined. Justice Secretaries are therefore excluded.

Straw's pre-rehearsed "rainbow of humanity fighting the Nazis" spiel was shown up as pure Stolen Valour the moment it became apparent that Straw's father, a jew for God's sake!, had refused to join up. Plenty of Concientious Objectors joined the RAMC or similar. There are instances in WW1 of them getting VCs, MMs & MCs - principled but brave men. There is no excuse to abstain.

End result

1st (by a country mile) Varsi & the bloke in the pin stripe suit that challenged Straw on immigration

2nd Greer - considered answers but definately there on race grounds ahead of intellect

3rd Griffin - stifled but struggling regardless

4th Straw - feeble, woudln't even look at Griffin, thought he was there for a free ride and got caught out

Did not Finish - Huhne - tried to piggy back Varsi but generally surplus to requirements

Last - Baying mob of self righteous prigs that seemed to dominate the audience. Even when Griffin said he'd pull troops out of Afghanistan they refused to applaud. Had anyone else said that they'd have ejaculated in their pants.

That about covers it.

Dito, well concluded R-T-C.

**KGB_resident** · 23-10-2009, 11:35

Originally Posted by All_I_Want

We have dirty jobs and low paid jobs, that the benefit system pay people to do nothing is at the heart of why these jobs are not filled. We do not need immigrants, we need a shake up of our systems.

Now I see your point. Thanks.

Unfortunately any economy creates a lot of job places that do not require any qualification and could be done literally by anybody. Such jobs can not be well paid. So what is the right solution?

Force own citizens to do these jobs creating poverty? Or maybe better to allow foreign workforce to fill these 'dirty' low-paid job places? In this case the citizens would as a rule occupy job places that require qualification. As a result educational level of the citizens would be higher. Living standards of the citizens would be higher as well.

As for foreign workers then they would be happy having not bad payments for their standards.

As I see we share at least one point. Massive immigration is not needed.

**re-stilly** · 23-10-2009, 11:44

Such jobs can not be well paid. So what is the right solution

Tell that to the Poles and such that are working in the Fens picking veggies and stuff, those guys are earning a good wage. Mind you they put the hours in as well

**Monty417** · 23-10-2009, 11:48

Although David Dimbleby assured the audience that QT wouldn't turn into 'The Nick Griffin Show,' it did so in my opinion.
The programme completely failed to address wide issues and instead focussed almost exclusively on race and immigration. I personally think that all the BBC did, was to turn Griffin into a victim, as he was so strongly attacked by panellists and what appeared to be a completely hostile audience, via a format which seemed to have been deliberately engineered to humiliate him.

I think Griffin scored points on immigration, Islamic homophobia and it's treatment of women. Dimbleby rescued Warsi from having to commit herself on the latter two, but on Immigration though, Warsi came out well. Straw was useless and made to look stupid, after waffling on about Asian and Black soldiers being killed fighting fascism and then later was shot down in flames, by Griffin pointing out that Straws father had served time for refusing to fight for his Country. Chris Huhne and Bonnie Greer may as well have stayed at home. The BBC and Dimbleby have nothing to be proud about. A bit of a witch hunt that failed, a sad flop really.

**BoomShackerLacker** · 23-10-2009, 11:50

Obnoxious, offensive, disgusting individual exploiting this opportunity to big 'em selves up...

... but enough of Dimbleby!

**KGB_resident** · 23-10-2009, 11:55

Originally Posted by re-stilly

Such jobs can not be well paid. So what is the right solution

Tell that to the Poles and such that are working in the Fens picking veggies and stuff, those guys are earning a good wage. Mind you they put the hours in as well

So these Poles allow navive Britons to be engineers, lawyers, doctors, scientists and so on.

At least the Poles do not demand British citizenship. They have their own home country that is not so far from the UK.

**the_boy_syrup** · 23-10-2009, 11:58

The problem is you were never going to get a decent off the cuff debate with any Labour minister
If you watch QT and any sort of programme along those lines they stick to the party line and script
As Hislop and Starkey have proved in the last couple of weeks anyone with a bit of education can soon rip this Goverments Ministers and it's policies to shreds

**re-stilly** · 23-10-2009, 11:59

So these Poles allow navive Britons to be engineers, lawyers, doctors, scientists and so on.

If that is not a Wah then, yeah right if it is then

. When interviewd by Look East a few weeks back a Chav said he would rather stay on benefits than earn Â£7ph working in the fields. Fcuking waste of space

**Alsacien** · 23-10-2009, 12:06

Roy Hobbs, an aborigine from Peterborough, added: "I don't necessarily agree with everything Mr Griffin says, but learning how to play Jerusalem on the didgeridoo is a white man's birthright."

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politi...-200910232162/

and:

Mr Griffin has been leader of the BNP since 1999 and was recently voted Britain's fourth most dangerous human after Prince Philip, Noel Edmonds and Cheryl Cole.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politi...-200910222159/

**OldAdam** · 23-10-2009, 12:09

Originally Posted by exile1

Could not watch the programme being outside the UK but judging from the posts on here it seems that the audience were biased and the questions relating to the issues of the day ie., postal strikes, firemen's strikes, slipping through legislation that would bar open inquests etc., which will have a far greater impact on us than political point scoring were suborned by one topic.... am I correct?

Yes!

**KGB_resident** · 23-10-2009, 12:12

Originally Posted by re-stilly

So these Poles allow navive Britons to be engineers, lawyers, doctors, scientists and so on.

If that is not a Wah then, yeah right if it is then

. When interviewd by Look East a few weeks back a Chav said he would rather stay on benefits than earn Â£7ph working in the fields. Fcuking waste of space

The only workable solution is to establish Stalinist type communist system. There was an article in Criminal code that punished for parasitism. Those who didn't work could be sent to special settlements (soft versions of Labour camps).

Chavs is a big separate theme. They exist (by other names) in many countries.