A Question of Question Time

**Roger_The_Cat** · 22-10-2009, 13:26

Originally Posted by Blokeonabike

Roger, I fail to see your point about gun ownership and suspect that you are completely ignorant on such issues

Just me being trying to be funny I suppose and failing dismally. Seemed to spend more time cleaning my SLR than using it, maybe that clouded my thinking.

You are right about the mainstream parties. They are very happy when they can go on the telly or radio and trot out their "anyone opposed to multiculturalism is ignorant" line unchallenged but they get very uncomfortable when they may have to face somone with an opposing view in person.

Being sniffy and pious wont resolve the underlying perceptions & issues that have drawn people, rightly or wrongly, to the BNP.

I applaud Jack Straw for agreeing to debate. There was a suggestion that Griffin woudl not have shared a paltform with Diane Abbott - I suspect he would because she'd be easy to beat. The woman is, like Hain, a complete lightweight. Jack Straw isn't.

**Boxingmad** · 22-10-2009, 13:46

The BNP is a political party whether one likes it or not. therefore they have every right to be heard. This country is, after all, a democracy and everyone is entitled to their soapbox. If we can allow Muslim extremists to parade in the streets of London calling for the death of British service personnel and those who don't believe in Islam, then we can certainly allow a politician to be given a platform also.
Nick Griffin is no fool. He's been given a massive (and probably the only one he'll ever get) opportunity to put his case across to millions of viewers. If he cocks it up tonight, that's it. He'll be ridiculed in front of the entire nation, and the BNP will be written off forever. So expect a very carefully worded response from this man. He's an ex-Oxford graduate and probably used to plenty of debates at the Oxford Union, where they really put you through your paces, so he'll be ready. Immigration is a sensitive issue these days, and Griffin will exploit it to the max. If things go well for him, he'll reignite the immigration debate with gusto, and make New Labour look very foolish indeed.

I truly hope that the audience keep their emotions in check, and allow the debate to flow. It'll be interesting to watch, that's for sure.

**rockhoppercrab** · 22-10-2009, 13:47

Originally Posted by Roger_The_Cat

I applaud Jack Straw for agreeing to debate. There was a suggestion that Griffin woudl not have shared a paltform with Diane Abbott - I suspect he would because she'd be easy to beat. The woman is, like Hain, a complete lightweight. Jack Straw isn't.

Would you applaud him for this??? http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.co...vious-and.html Seems we have more to fear from those in power than ranting idiots.

**All_I_Want** · 22-10-2009, 13:51

Originally Posted by PoisonDwarf

Originally Posted by Enigma266

Can anyone actually tell me what their policies are? All they seem to spout on about is what they feel is wrong with the country, not how they intend to put it right.

Bingo. Their policies are basically a rant about darkies coming over here and stealing all of our jobs. BNP - big on problems but small on solutions.

Nevertheless, they need to be heard. The only way to defeat ignorance is by exposing it to the light and slaying it with the trusty sword of truth. (er...sorry to paraphrase that slimebag politician who went to jail).

I would put a link up to where their policies are but that would then get this thread binned faster than normal.

In general I would say they are big on solutions though.

**jagman** · 22-10-2009, 14:11

Originally Posted by All_I_Want

Originally Posted by PoisonDwarf

Originally Posted by Enigma266

Can anyone actually tell me what their policies are? All they seem to spout on about is what they feel is wrong with the country, not how they intend to put it right.

Bingo. Their policies are basically a rant about darkies coming over here and stealing all of our jobs. BNP - big on problems but small on solutions.

Nevertheless, they need to be heard. The only way to defeat ignorance is by exposing it to the light and slaying it with the trusty sword of truth. (er...sorry to paraphrase that slimebag politician who went to jail).

I would put a link up to where their policies are but that would then get this thread binned faster than normal.

In general I would say they are big on solutions though.

Not final ones I hope? :D

**Enigma266** · 22-10-2009, 14:11

Originally Posted by All_I_Want

Originally Posted by PoisonDwarf

Originally Posted by Enigma266

Can anyone actually tell me what their policies are? All they seem to spout on about is what they feel is wrong with the country, not how they intend to put it right.

Bingo. Their policies are basically a rant about darkies coming over here and stealing all of our jobs. BNP - big on problems but small on solutions.

Nevertheless, they need to be heard. The only way to defeat ignorance is by exposing it to the light and slaying it with the trusty sword of truth. (er...sorry to paraphrase that slimebag politician who went to jail).

I would put a link up to where their policies are but that would then get this thread binned faster than normal.

In general I would say they are big on solutions though.

But thats my point. All this "we must suppress" business isn't good for harmony. As has already been stated, when an Islamic extremist can walk down the streets shouting "death to infidels" etc, then why can't the opposite view be heard. Afterall, everyone has an opinion on immigration and NG is exploiting it - right or wrong. How can we expect the masses to make informed decisions when everything is driven underground?

Bet the Beeb are loving this - ratings will go through the roof!

**Beerfun** · 22-10-2009, 14:18

I fought for this country so that everyone can have there right to say what they think, whether I agree or not.

That also goes for anyone wanting to ware a t-shirt saying B*ll*cks to Bl**r!

**Markintime** · 22-10-2009, 16:40

There's been some interesting points raised on here but really this is more about the mechanics of QT than the content. Is this edition going to descend into a slanging match or will it be the platform for constructive, if heated, debate?

**the_boy_syrup** · 22-10-2009, 16:45

I don't think Griffin will get a word out
He will be booed and shouted down the minute they go to him

**thegimp** · 22-10-2009, 16:55

:D I will be partaking in the drinking game

TWO FINGERS

**Over4MeNow** · 22-10-2009, 17:00

Can't we just wait to see what he has to say? Undoubtedly he'll be hounded down and I suspect when pressured (if the audience has the nouse) on any other policy other than immigration, he'll be totally embarrassed - the BNP has no other policies ffs! Bring on intelligent questions as, despite the fact that Griffin is an 'intelligent man', his party has no real substance (did anybody see his response to the 'Generals' jibe as 'black humour' - he was lost!. He will be hoist by his own petard here!

Hain's accusation that the BNP are an 'illegal party' just further shows his own party's lack of touch.

It does reflect, however, the growing discontent among Brits and the current trend of 'just let em in'. Is there a solution?

This is reminiscent of the police allowing suspects their 'air time' to appeal for the victim - and then to be caught out. Griffin will lose much more than he hopes to gain by his appearance tonight provided he isn't given the platform of silence provided by some morons in the audience - it will only give grist to his dubious mill

**beemer007** · 22-10-2009, 17:07

Originally Posted by the_boy_syrup

I don't think Griffin will get a word out
He will be booed and shouted down the minute they go to him

I agree that this will not end up being a constructive debate but a slagging/booing/hissing tennis match between the panel & the audience

The whole issue has been dealt in a shambolic way by the BBC, great PR for the BNP though, I think a lot of the major issue's which really DO need to be tackled but will be overshadowed by a tit-for-tat attempt by some hard liners

Just watching the childish/imature banner holders on the media, will be interesting to see how this develops.

**CQMS** · 22-10-2009, 17:10

Look on the bright side, if Baroness Warsi speaks at any length they'll all be driven to suicide. I watched her last performance on QT and listening to her is like having needles inserted into your head.

**Bolo-Driller** · 22-10-2009, 17:13

Originally Posted by beemer007

Originally Posted by the_boy_syrup

I don't think Griffin will get a word out
He will be booed and shouted down the minute they go to him

I agree that this will not end up being a constructive debate but a slagging/booing/hissing tennis match between the panel & the audience

The whole issue has been dealt in a shambolic way by the BBC, great PR for the BNP though, I think a lot of the major issue's which really DO need to be tackled but will be overshadowed by a tit-for-tat attempt by some hard liners

Just watching the childish/imature banner holders on the media, will be interesting to see how this develops.

Did you notice the one about Iraq? Apparently loads of Iraqi civvies have been killed/made homeless/ wounded. Is it just me or was that Labours little scheme?

Fcuk me if your gonna turn up to a protest bring the right placard!!

**uncle_vanya** · 22-10-2009, 17:13

'QT' will could have been pre-recorded this afternoon, as I understand it. If there is any chance of Public Disorder in and around the BBC TV Centre, then the whole shebang will have been relocated to a secret location, including the audience, so as has been stated yesterday by a BBC spokesperson.

I'm not sure that I want to watch it tonight, as as I usually do. If it decends into a School Yard 'Hiss, Suck Ya-boo...' then I'm off down the pub before it closes..... couldn't be arrsed....!! :P