A Question of Question Time

**deefadog** · 22-10-2009, 23:18

Originally Posted by Tubbyboy

Originally Posted by Werewolf

If it makes you feel any better, old chap, you're most likely descended from a German...or, if you're really lucky Norman FRENCH!

Bollocks, I'm mainly descended from Viking Normans - there is a smattering of Eastern European Jew in there and I'll never forgive the Nazis for what they did to my Grandfather in the war...

Five years he spent in that guard tower, never got promoted once!!

ah the old ones are the best :D

**jagman** · 22-10-2009, 23:19

Originally Posted by meridian

think strategically

The mainstream parties are running scared, they know they are going to have to address immigration, white working class identity and militant Islam or they will see votes going to the BNP. This they will eventually do, so for this, the BNP serves a wider purpose

They are never going to achieve any power so why people are foaming about them I am unsure

I think they are a load of idiots and lets face, no one can really justify racism but if it forces the major parties to address these issues and they don't actually gain any real power then more power to their elbow

I fervently hope you are right.
I imagine hundreds of thousands of BNP voters are hoping exactly the same thing (of which I am not one :D )

**Mr_Fingerz** · 22-10-2009, 23:20

Originally Posted by Tubbyboy

Originally Posted by Werewolf

If it makes you feel any better, old chap, you're most likely descended from a German...or, if you're really lucky Norman FRENCH!

Bollocks, I'm mainly descended from Viking Normans - there is a smattering of Eastern European Jew in there and I'll never forgive the Nazis for what they did to my Grandfather in the war...

Five years he spent in that guard tower, never got promoted once!!

You mean that deep down you're French = there's no hope for you.

**rampant** · 22-10-2009, 23:20

Originally Posted by jagman

Yes, the result of that is that in a straight contest on Question Time the single high profile establishment figure on the program went up against Griffin and came out in second place.
I don't think it was a win for Griffin but it wasn't a lose either and not losing is good enough for Griffin and a far better position than anyone had hoped he would emerge in.

It all comes down to wether the electorate believes Griffin meant anything he said. If you think he was sincere he has come out of this well, if you think he's a lying cnut then he looks no worse than Straw.

Yet more significantly it once again brings to our attention that in politics in general at this moment in time is there is a failure of intellect across the board, in all parties. The appearance of doing something or saying something or appearing to be responsive to an issue in the zeitgeist is held to be more important than actually developing rigorous strategies to deal with them.

**woodandy3** · 22-10-2009, 23:20

Originally Posted by MrShanklysboots

Griffen looked a fool.

Straw looked a fool.

Huhne looked a bit lightweight

Greer was bob on, if a little "light".

The questions were terrible, and in the end looked like an ambush on Griffen, but he was made to look a complete fool on the Holocaust and possibly the question of Indigenous Britons!

He made cogent points on Militant Islam, but NOT ONE of the panellists pinned him down on the fact that he was trying to dress Militant Islam as the whole religion.

The policies of Immigration were quite rightly pointed out as the main reason for voter dissatisfaction, and it was signal that the two main party reps essentially said "It works" and "No it doesn't" without ever having a proper debate about it. It IS time to have that debate in order to remove the mantle of Victimhood that the BNP operate under.

Griffin was made to look an Idiot, but I feel it should have been done better, there was an awful lot of sound and fury tonight. They should be on more, so the fury goes out of the programme and we can get down to forensically dissecting their "policies".

i disagree!! there were many oppertunity's to shoot griffin down whilst he was shaking replying to questions but nobody took them!
that programme did more damage to the other parties than what it did to the BNP!

**Disco** · 22-10-2009, 23:20

Originally Posted by Bolo-Driller

Originally Posted by Disco

Originally Posted by Bolo-Driller

My point being why shouldnt he wear a poppy? Griffen that is.

Becuase we as a nation and our armed forces have fought against the evil that is oppression and facism in all its forms. Griffen and his holocaust denying ilk represent that and to see him wear a poppy finds me very angry indeed.

It is a piss take of our fallen. They didnt make the ultimate sacrifice for an indigineous nation of white people.

Ok so should any of our current Government be wearing them seeing as they have sent many good men to their needless and untimely deaths under false pretences?

How do you know what they gave the ultimate sacrifice for?

Thats the kind of statement that would find you on your arse with a very sore face. Seriously have a read of what you just typed and which website you just posted on.

**Doogonk** · 22-10-2009, 23:21

Originally Posted by thegimp

Griffin came out of it ok. He is thick skinned and has heard the old arguements before, some of his points like it or not will resonate with a substantial amount of the population.

Targeting his most absurd statements makes him look the underdog which is how a lot of the population seem to feel

Agreed. I think Dimbleby made a valiant effort to lead with coherent argument but a lot of the audience, and even some of the panel insisted on trotting out the old lines instead of seizing the opportunity to take Griffin apart on the intellectual level. As for Straw.... feck me.... he refused to be drawn on the "awful immigration policy" question eh! No doubt driving another couple of thousand viewers into the arms of the BNP.

**hotshot85** · 22-10-2009, 23:22

Deleted for too much Jager and Veltins.

**FORMER_FYRDMAN** · 22-10-2009, 23:22

Originally Posted by Disco

Originally Posted by Bolo-Driller

My point being why shouldnt he wear a poppy? Griffen that is.

Becuase we as a nation and our armed forces have fought against the evil that is oppression and facism in all its forms. Griffen and his holocaust denying ilk represent that and to see him wear a poppy finds me very angry indeed.

It is a piss take of our fallen. They didnt make the ultimate sacrifice for an indigineous nation of white people.

Yes, but they did probably make the sacrifice for freedom of belief - in World War Two we came within a stone's throw of taking on Russia over Finland so don't get hung up on Fascism - the UK has generally been against ISM's of many hues, and quite rightly.

**Blodders** · 22-10-2009, 23:23

Originally Posted by Disco

Originally Posted by Bolo-Driller

Originally Posted by Disco

Originally Posted by Bolo-Driller

My point being why shouldnt he wear a poppy? Griffen that is.

Becuase we as a nation and our armed forces have fought against the evil that is oppression and facism in all its forms. Griffen and his holocaust denying ilk represent that and to see him wear a poppy finds me very angry indeed.

It is a piss take of our fallen. They didnt make the ultimate sacrifice for an indigineous nation of white people.

Ok so should any of our current Government be wearing them seeing as they have sent many good men to their needless and untimely deaths under false pretences?

How do you know what they gave the ultimate sacrifice for?

Thats the kind of statement that would find you on your arse with a very sore face. Seriously have a read of what you just typed and which website you just posted on.

I don't see why, BDs post makes perfect sense, no one in the current gov has a right to wear a poppy using your standard.

My grandad always said he went to war cos he was told to, no more no less, doesn't make his contribution any less.

**Werewolf** · 22-10-2009, 23:24

Originally Posted by deefadog

Originally Posted by Tubbyboy

Originally Posted by Werewolf

If it makes you feel any better, old chap, you're most likely descended from a German...or, if you're really lucky Norman FRENCH!

Bollocks, I'm mainly descended from Viking Normans - there is a smattering of Eastern European Jew in there and I'll never forgive the Nazis for what they did to my Grandfather in the war...

Five years he spent in that guard tower, never got promoted once!!

ah the old ones are the best :D

I thought he was going with, "...he died in Auschwitz - got drunk and fell out of the guard tower!"

**jagman** · 22-10-2009, 23:24

Originally Posted by rampant

Originally Posted by jagman

Yes, the result of that is that in a straight contest on Question Time the single high profile establishment figure on the program went up against Griffin and came out in second place.
I don't think it was a win for Griffin but it wasn't a lose either and not losing is good enough for Griffin and a far better position than anyone had hoped he would emerge in.

It all comes down to wether the electorate believes Griffin meant anything he said. If you think he was sincere he has come out of this well, if you think he's a lying cnut then he looks no worse than Straw.

Yet more significantly it once again brings to our attention that in politics in general at this moment in time is there is a failure of intellect across the board, in all parties. The appearance of doing something or saying something or appearing to be responsive to an issue in the zeitgeist is held to be more important than actually developing rigorous strategies to deal with them.

Yup, we have a political environment that allows Griffin to thrive because everybody else is equally as dismal.

**woodandy3** · 22-10-2009, 23:24

Originally Posted by Disco

Originally Posted by Bolo-Driller

Originally Posted by Disco

Originally Posted by Bolo-Driller

My point being why shouldnt he wear a poppy? Griffen that is.

Becuase we as a nation and our armed forces have fought against the evil that is oppression and facism in all its forms. Griffen and his holocaust denying ilk represent that and to see him wear a poppy finds me very angry indeed.

It is a piss take of our fallen. They didnt make the ultimate sacrifice for an indigineous nation of white people.

Ok so should any of our current Government be wearing them seeing as they have sent many good men to their needless and untimely deaths under false pretences?

How do you know what they gave the ultimate sacrifice for?

Thats the kind of statement that would find you on your arse with a very sore face. Seriously have a read of what you just typed and which website you just posted on.

its a sign of the times when squaddies can actually see whats going on!hell yeah ive followed orders!! doesnt mean to say i agreed with them!

**CaptainWillard** · 22-10-2009, 23:25

OMFGA - How can that gibbering imbecile Straw be in any position of authority in this country? He singly personifies all the faults of this shower of malignant bas tards we call government.

His initial rant was absolutely cringeworthy, and he went rapidly downhill after that. I did not pick up on one single, decent reply from him to any questions. Instead it was all half-assed rhetoric and mumbling prevarication that would embarrass a pissed up trooper on a Monday morning parade.

Warsi was about the best out of the whole sorry bunch.

QT are also at fault for allowing the whole programme to be dominated by the BNP issue. I could only take so many fcukwit questions from the audience before I was overcome by the urge to throw the cat at the telly...

CW

Quis Separabit

Vestigia Nulla Retrorsum

**Bolo-Driller** · 22-10-2009, 23:26

Originally Posted by Disco

Originally Posted by Bolo-Driller

Originally Posted by Disco

Originally Posted by Bolo-Driller

My point being why shouldnt he wear a poppy? Griffen that is.

Becuase we as a nation and our armed forces have fought against the evil that is oppression and facism in all its forms. Griffen and his holocaust denying ilk represent that and to see him wear a poppy finds me very angry indeed.

It is a piss take of our fallen. They didnt make the ultimate sacrifice for an indigineous nation of white people.

Ok so should any of our current Government be wearing them seeing as they have sent many good men to their needless and untimely deaths under false pretences?

How do you know what they gave the ultimate sacrifice for?

Thats the kind of statement that would find you on your arse with a very sore face. Seriously have a read of what you just typed and which website you just posted on.

Whats your point?

This current Government has done more damage to this countries Armed Forces than the BNP will ever do.