Please Help - Bipolar british citizen faces imminent execution in China

**Monty417** · 30-12-2009, 19:18

Originally Posted by Bravo_Bravo

Originally Posted by Monty417

Well, we have a record of being very very lenient with terrorists and as a suspect, he would be given every help possible by this Govt.

Danny McCann, SeÃ¡n Savage and MairÃ©ad Farrell might not think so..

I think you know that I was referring to this Govt, not the SAS.

**Chicken_George** · 30-12-2009, 19:36

Originally Posted by Monty417

Originally Posted by Bravo_Bravo

Originally Posted by Monty417

Well, we have a record of being very very lenient with terrorists and as a suspect, he would be given every help possible by this Govt.

Danny McCann, SeÃ¡n Savage and MairÃ©ad Farrell might not think so..

I think you know that I was referring to this Govt, not the SAS.

Now if my memory serves me well, we are now arguing about 3 PIRA members that were in Gib. to kill military personel and they got fragged.
Well if you live by the sword theres a good chance you'll die by the bugger.

3 know terrorist died, so what. A "fruit-loop" drug mule gets caught and executed, so what. and yes I believe GB got on the Guardian reading anti- death penalty band-wagon because in a few months he's got to go to a general election.

**Chicken_George** · 30-12-2009, 19:38

Originally Posted by Monty417

Originally Posted by Bravo_Bravo

Originally Posted by Monty417

Well, we have a record of being very very lenient with terrorists and as a suspect, he would be given every help possible by this Govt.

Danny McCann, SeÃ¡n Savage and MairÃ©ad Farrell might not think so..

I think you know that I was referring to this Govt, not the SAS.

Now if my memory serves me well, we are now arguing about 3 PIRA members that were in Gib. to kill military personel and they got fragged.
Well if you live by the sword theres a good chance you'll die by the bugger.

3 know terrorist died, so what. A "fruit-loop" drug mule gets caught and executed, so what. and yes I believe GB got on the Guardian reading anti- death penalty band-wagon because in a few months he's got to go to a general election.

**cunny_funt** · 30-12-2009, 19:46

Originally Posted by Chicken_George

[ and yes I believe GB got on the Guardian reading anti- death penalty band-wagon because in a few months he's got to go to a general election.

Which he will lose......big time!

**smartascarrots** · 30-12-2009, 19:46

Originally Posted by parapauk

...this is about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT and how it should react in light of its duty to its citizens and its wider policies...

No, it's not. It's about the execution of a convicted drug-trafficker in a sovereign country and the attempts of certain British people and organisations to influence and outright undermine that decision.

If you want to discuss the rights and wrongs of the British government's response that's a different matter entirely.

**Monty417** · 30-12-2009, 19:51

Originally Posted by smartascarrots

Originally Posted by parapauk

...this is about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT and how it should react in light of its duty to its citizens and its wider policies...

No, it's not. It's about the execution of a convicted drug-trafficker in a sovereign country and the attempts of certain British people and organisations to influence and outright undermine that decision.

If you want to discuss the rights and wrongs of the British government's response that's a different matter entirely.

Well said.

:D

**scuba_frog** · 30-12-2009, 19:55

Job jobbed.......We whinge like fcuk about OUR scrotes tying up the legal system for years, this is just bloody efficient!

**Semper_Flexibilis** · 30-12-2009, 20:00

Originally Posted by parapauk

Originally Posted by CQMS

parapauk, you cannot possibly believe that Gordon Brown exposing himself to that Chinese broadside was a good idea, diplomatic efforts over two years failed to sway the decision, why would this intercession have any effect? He used to have a policy of vanishing when trouble was afoot, now he can't keep his gob shut. He is either being badly advised or he's not being advised at all. The net result is to diminish his standing even further (if that's possible), the only message going out is that of failure.

It was going to fail, but just because there is a good chance of failure doesn't mean that it shouldn't have been tried. It would also have been impossible not to say anything given British government policy on capital punishment. See also my comment about not falling into the trap of letting economic interests lead to us having to hold our collective tongues - it was bad enough when Obama gave the Dalai Lama the short shrift before he visited China a few months back. No one would have been under any illusion that Obama meeting the Dalai Lama would have made Tibet independent, but as a statement of principle it was a meeting that was needed.

So you believe it's in the best interests of the UK to try and save convicted drug dealers and people who seem to have attracted the attention of MI5 for their pro Jihaddi stance?

Duly notedâ€¦

**StickyEnd** · 30-12-2009, 20:03

Personally I am glad he is dead. If our government had its way he would be back here and back on the streets in a few years. The Chinese did the right thing IMO. As for him being mentally ill, I just don't buy it as I find it hard to believe that anyone who can set up a new life in Poland with a familly and manage to extensively travel around the world, is so incompetent as to not know that carrying 4Kg of drugs is likely to get him into trouble.

**Grownup_Rafbrat** · 30-12-2009, 20:05

Originally Posted by Bravo_Bravo

I think that one vital point has been missed while people are VOR'ing the Outrage! bus - the bloke may well have been a loony. ( non PC, I know, but you get the point. ) Thats what Broon et al moaned about.

A few posts back there was a quite official-looking post alleging that no evidence of looniness had been provided. Also, I believe he only claimed to be a loony after he'd been found guilty.

Look on the bright side, his relatives will be getting a nice publishing deal!

**Gren** · 30-12-2009, 20:05

Whats your name fella? "Akmal Shaikh" Akmal? good British name....

But joking aside, and without bothering to read through all the usual drivel, this guy, a father of 3? or 5? different reports suggest either, he has mental health issues, and is travelling alone in China?

He some how comes into the possesion of a decent amount of top drugs, and is caught, in a country that executes drug smugglers?

And people are concerned?

Am I missing something?

Feck him, and sack his carer, for not keeping an eye on what he was doing.

**Monty417** · 30-12-2009, 20:17

Originally Posted by Gren

Whats your name fella? "Akmal Shaikh" Akmal? good British name....

But joking aside, and without bothering to read through all the usual drivel, this guy, a father of 3? or 5? different reports suggest either, he has mental health issues, and is travelling alone in China?

He some how comes into the possesion of a decent amount of top drugs, and is caught, in a country that executes drug smugglers?

And people are concerned?

Am I missing something?

Feck him, and sack his carer, for not keeping an eye on what he was doing.

I don't believe that it has been medically verified that he is bi Polar or has any mental health problems. Does anyone know differently?

**Gren** · 30-12-2009, 20:19

Beat me to it

"The beat me to it was a correction to the quote I made prior MIT, not the statement"

I for one dont give a toss if he had Bipolar or not, he got caught end of in my view.

**Markintime** · 30-12-2009, 20:26

Originally Posted by Gren

Beat me to it

Since when has something like verifiable fact ever got in the way of Facebook outrage groups? It was a Chinese Court therefore they must be barbaric and wrong because we have the only truly infallible justice system in the world which is why we hung Derek Bentley a man with the IQ of a 9 year old who wasn't even the one who committed the murder he was hung for.

To reiterate, his diagnosis was made by telepathy by a group of non psychiatrically qualified Facebook members sat in various parts of the UK but none in China. It has to be right because 7,000 knobs have joined the Facebook page that says so.