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**jagman** · 15-10-2009, 20:43

Originally Posted by Markintime

Show me one case where the police have arrested someone and sent him to a Sharia Court for trial please. Can you also tell me where they carry out the beheading, stoning and hand amputating that has been mentioned in this thread.
If Sharia Courts hear criminal cases it is because both parties have agreed and it has been kept out of the normal scope of British Justice. They are mainly there to arbitrate on domestic and religious affairs.
It doesn't matter what the Moslem Council want, yes, they probably do want Sharia Law, why not? Everywhere that the British went they introduced British Law because they thought it a good system of law, the Moslem people are just trying to do the same. However they will never succeed unless they can convince a majority in this country that it should be introduced and I can't see that ever happening.
I don't wish to see Sharia Law introduced in this country, I don't think it would serve the needs of the British People and I don't think it is a fair and just system of justice. The difference with me is that I don't think a majority of people in this country and I don't even think a majority of British Moslems want Sharia Law introduced.

If you wish to contest what I have said MIT then please re-read what I have said. At no point have I said beheadings, stonings etc have been carried out in this country, murder has though and at a rate of around 12 murders a year.

You are mis-interpretting what I have said, either because I have failed to express what I have said clearly (in which case I have asked you to show me where) or because it suits your argument to slot me into the box marked bigot.

As for the bit I have highlighted in bold, I fully agree. You are assuming without any evidence that I am anti Islam, I am not. I am anti Sharia Law within the UK but bear no ill will to Islam in general.

**jagman** · 15-10-2009, 20:46

Originally Posted by rampant

Originally Posted by jagman

Originally Posted by rampant

Here's the link for the last time we had this merry waltz

http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=126812.html

Thankyou Rampant :D

Many of the pertinent links are on one of my posts on page 14 Shankly if that helps

No worries mate, still think it's one of the better threads of late on these topics, the quality of debate was higher than the "argh they're all mental" wibble that gets trotted out.

The good stuff starts from around page 4 (it's when I wade in snigger)

Yes I agree it was a reasoned debate that was quite productive. We actually seemed to manage to get past the bigotry argument
Sadly we have started the merry go round and it apear we collectively learnt little :( Thats the nature of Arrse I suppose :D

**Picasso** · 15-10-2009, 20:51

Originally Posted by Markintime

The only way that Sharia Law is introduced in this country will be if a majority of the people wish it.

So that will be in our lifetime then...

HERE

**Markintime** · 15-10-2009, 21:27

Originally Posted by jagman

Originally Posted by Markintime

Show me one case where the police have arrested someone and sent him to a Sharia Court for trial please. Can you also tell me where they carry out the beheading, stoning and hand amputating that has been mentioned in this thread.
If Sharia Courts hear criminal cases it is because both parties have agreed and it has been kept out of the normal scope of British Justice. They are mainly there to arbitrate on domestic and religious affairs.
It doesn't matter what the Moslem Council want, yes, they probably do want Sharia Law, why not? Everywhere that the British went they introduced British Law because they thought it a good system of law, the Moslem people are just trying to do the same. However they will never succeed unless they can convince a majority in this country that it should be introduced and I can't see that ever happening.
I don't wish to see Sharia Law introduced in this country, I don't think it would serve the needs of the British People and I don't think it is a fair and just system of justice. The difference with me is that I don't think a majority of people in this country and I don't even think a majority of British Moslems want Sharia Law introduced.

If you wish to contest what I have said MIT then please re-read what I have said. At no point have I said beheadings, stonings etc have been carried out in this country, murder has though and at a rate of around 12 murders a year.

If you would like to go back to what I have said (and which you have quoted) it is a stand alone statement. I didn't address the statement to you directly and I used the phrase "Can you also tell me where they carry out the beheading, stoning and hand amputating that has been mentioned in this thread". I didn't say "That you have mentioned in this thread". Murders are murders, they are, by definition, illegal. From what I have been told most of these murders are 'honour killings' and are carried out within the family not as enforcement of a sentence handed down by a Sharia Court.

You are mis-interpretting what I have said, either because I have failed to express what I have said clearly (in which case I have asked you to show me where) or because it suits your argument to slot me into the box marked bigot.

Again I made a stand alone statement. I have not accused you of being a bigot but I do feel that you are reacting more to a perceived rather than an actual threat. I feel their are others on this thread who use this scant pretext to give vent to their bigotry and hatred.

As for the bit I have highlighted in bold, I fully agree. You are assuming without any evidence that I am anti Islam, I am not. I am anti Sharia Law within the UK but bear no ill will to Islam in general.

Again my last was a stand alone statement not directed at you in person. I assumed nothing about you as the statement was not aimed at you directly but was a statement re;lating to all the posts that have been made on this thread.

**Markintime** · 15-10-2009, 21:28

Sorry, internet problems.

**Markintime** · 15-10-2009, 21:31

Sorry, internet problems.

**Werewolf** · 15-10-2009, 22:15

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

Okie, dokie…

They can have their hardcore religious laws… but!

We can have ours too…

Anyone for burning heretics at the stake?

C'mon Achmed, fairs, fair!

You want middle ages laws, so surely it's only right and proper we have them to?

Auto de Fay anyone?

Nah, lets just see their Jihad and raise them a Crusade!

**ICShiiteJobs** · 15-10-2009, 22:36

Originally Posted by Werewolf

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

Okie, dokie…

They can have their hardcore religious laws… but!

We can have ours too…

Anyone for burning heretics at the stake?

C'mon Achmed, fairs, fair!

You want middle ages laws, so surely it's only right and proper we have them to?

Auto de Fay anyone?

Nah, lets just see their Jihad and raise them a Crusade!

Only a mattter of time.......... ;)

**Chef** · 15-10-2009, 22:40

Two questions;

First. If they want to be governed by Sharia laws then why not go to a country with Sharia laws? Thats not rocket science, although I'd be interested to know what the benefit paymens are in such countries.

Second, is there a single Muslim country that does not have conflict on its' borders?

Do we see a picture developing here?

**Markintime** · 15-10-2009, 22:55

Originally Posted by Chef

Two questions;

First. If they want to be governed by Sharia laws then why not go to a country with Sharia laws? Thats not rocket science, although I'd be interested to know what the benefit paymens are in such countries.

Second, is there a single Muslim country that does not have conflict on its' borders?

Do we see a picture developing here?

I think you'll find that not every Moslem is drawing benefit in this country. Most that I know of are very hard working. As to moving to a country with Sharia Law, yes, if they want it that much they should move to a country where Sharia is the law system. However, there may be some who would like to see Sharia Law in this country because it suits their needs but are happy to live with the English system. Let's not forget that Islam, in common with all religions, have a wide spectrum of followers from the devout to the barely paying lipservice.
I'm not sure what your point about 'conflict on their borders' really means. Take Pakistan, it shares a border with Afghanistan where there is conflict but that is hardly down to them, is it? There are plenty of Middle Eastern Countries that are not surrounded by conflict. All the conflict in the world is not caused by Islam. As far as I know the Basque Separatists aren't Moslem neither are the continuity, real or any other connotation of the IRA so I can't quite see what picture you're seeing.
From what I have seen, and Rumplestiltskin gave a couple of links on this thread, there are many Moslems that are appalled that their religion is being hijacked by hardliners and wish to see it remain a religion of peace. Perhaps if we put more effort into applauding and supporting this much larger number of Moslems and spent a bit less time reacting to scaremongering then we would have a safer and more peaceful nation.