Originally Posted by Bonzo_Dog

Originally Posted by Bugsy

Originally Posted by Bonzo_Dog

Originally Posted by Balleh

["If you pay people to be poor, you'll never run out of poor people."

Can't remember who said that but it makes sense.

I think it was Daniel Hannan

Any chance you might be able to remember where he got if from?

MsG

No idea I'm afraid. It could be an original from him.

Definitely Daniel Hannan quote from his blog - I think it comes from Ian Duncan-Smith's Centre for Social Justice

Now there is a cohesive piece of thinking

Odo

Originally Posted by cpunk

Originally Posted by KGB_resident

Yes the gap between the rich and the poor in the UK in fact remains unchanged but using taxes and benefits effectively it was narrowed. Read the quote from my previous post.

Which begs the question whether it is a good thing to make poor people less poor simply by giving them money in the form of state benefits derived from more affluent people's taxes. In reality, that is a good way to prevent social mobility, because it disincentivises poor people from doing anything worthwhile to improve their position: they can survive on state handouts. Much better to take away all their benefits and force them to do something positive.

However... it seems to me that this thread is going off topic.

I believe that the theme of this thread is the speech sounded by mr.Brown. It's central point is a social justice. Mr.Brown declares that his party is supporting hard-working majority and also pensioners, single parents, talented children, those who seriously ill.

On the another pole there are the thieves from the city, crooks like mr.Abramovich, bankers who receive huge bonuses while their banks are being bankrupted and their servants including corrupted politicians.

Of course the Tories would serve and defend their masters. For the Conservatives ordinary Britons are no more than useless populations whose interests would be ignored.

Originally Posted by KGB_resident

Originally Posted by cpunk

Originally Posted by KGB_resident

Yes the gap between the rich and the poor in the UK in fact remains unchanged but using taxes and benefits effectively it was narrowed. Read the quote from my previous post.

Which begs the question whether it is a good thing to make poor people less poor simply by giving them money in the form of state benefits derived from more affluent people's taxes. In reality, that is a good way to prevent social mobility, because it disincentivises poor people from doing anything worthwhile to improve their position: they can survive on state handouts. Much better to take away all their benefits and force them to do something positive.

However... it seems to me that this thread is going off topic.

I believe that the theme of this thread is the speech sounded by mr.Brown. It's central point is a social justice. Mr.Brown declares that his party is supporting hard-working majority and also pensioners, single parents, talented children, those who seriously ill.

On the another pole there are the thieves from the city, crooks like mr.Abramovich, bankers who receive huge bonuses while their banks are being bankrupted and their servants including corrupted politicians.

Of course the Tories would serve and defend their masters. For the Conservatives ordinary Britons are no more than useless populations whose interests would be ignored.

Sergey, our "Socialist" government has just presided over the greatest theft of wealth from the workers of Britain in our countries history. They have as much to do with social justice, as Hitler had to do with winning hearts and minds in Russia.

Gordon Brown is a deranged sociopath who probably believes his own lies as he is self deluded. He is the most unpopular PM ever, and after Blair, that is quiet an achievment.

Many of us will celebrate if he takes the honorable course and puts himself out of his misery by either resigning, or better still, borrowing the mess Webley.

Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas

Originally Posted by KGB_resident

Originally Posted by cpunk

Originally Posted by KGB_resident

Yes the gap between the rich and the poor in the UK in fact remains unchanged but using taxes and benefits effectively it was narrowed. Read the quote from my previous post.

Which begs the question whether it is a good thing to make poor people less poor simply by giving them money in the form of state benefits derived from more affluent people's taxes. In reality, that is a good way to prevent social mobility, because it disincentivises poor people from doing anything worthwhile to improve their position: they can survive on state handouts. Much better to take away all their benefits and force them to do something positive.

However... it seems to me that this thread is going off topic.

I believe that the theme of this thread is the speech sounded by mr.Brown. It's central point is a social justice. Mr.Brown declares that his party is supporting hard-working majority and also pensioners, single parents, talented children, those who seriously ill.

On the another pole there are the thieves from the city, crooks like mr.Abramovich, bankers who receive huge bonuses while their banks are being bankrupted and their servants including corrupted politicians.

Of course the Tories would serve and defend their masters. For the Conservatives ordinary Britons are no more than useless populations whose interests would be ignored.

Sergey, our "Socialist" government has just presided over the greatest theft of wealth from the workers of Britain in our countries history. They have as much to do with social justice, as Hitler had to do with winning hearts and minds in Russia.

Gordon Brown is a deranged sociopath who probably believes his own lies as he is self deluded. He is the most unpopular PM ever, and after Blair, that is quiet an achievment.

Many of us will celebrate if he takes the honorable course and puts himself out of his misery by either resigning, or better still, borrowing the mess Webley.

It is your life, it is your country, it is up to you to decide. I estimate namely the speech, declared position, the electoral strategy.

Those who predict an easy victory to mr.Cameron I believe would be very surprised. In comparison with such an experienced politician as mr.Brown, mr.Cameron looks as a child.

Originally Posted by KGB_resident

Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas

Labour merely carried on where the Tories left off, with the difference that they betrayed the working people they claimed to represent, whilst the tories at least, looked after their own.

Yes the gap between the rich and the poor in the UK in fact remains unchanged but using taxes and benefits effectively it was narrowed. Read the quote from my previous post.

Please discuss this with Tony Blair and his wife. Where do they meet the traditional Labour voter on personal finances?

Brown sold this country and the armed forces cheap and now his bottle has gone.

Originally Posted by KGB_resident

I believe that the theme of this thread is the speech sounded by mr.Brown. It's central point is a social justice. Mr.Brown declares that his party is supporting hard-working majority and also pensioners, single parents, talented children, those who seriously ill.

On the another pole there are the thieves from the city, crooks like mr.Abramovich, bankers who receive huge bonuses while their banks are being bankrupted and their servants including corrupted politicians.

Of course the Tories would serve and defend their masters. For the Conservatives ordinary Britons are no more than useless populations whose interests would be ignored.

More study of the British political system is required Sergei! The Tories would argue that their policies increase prosperity at all levels of society and, if you compare Britain in 1979 with Britain in 1997, that was probably true. It may well be the case that the gap between the richest and the poorest got wider, but the poor were certainly better off than they had been under the previous Labour regime. You seem to be simply repeating Labour propaganda...

Originally Posted by KGB_resident

Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas

Originally Posted by KGB_resident

Originally Posted by cpunk

Originally Posted by KGB_resident

Yes the gap between the rich and the poor in the UK in fact remains unchanged but using taxes and benefits effectively it was narrowed. Read the quote from my previous post.

Which begs the question whether it is a good thing to make poor people less poor simply by giving them money in the form of state benefits derived from more affluent people's taxes. In reality, that is a good way to prevent social mobility, because it disincentivises poor people from doing anything worthwhile to improve their position: they can survive on state handouts. Much better to take away all their benefits and force them to do something positive.

However... it seems to me that this thread is going off topic.

I believe that the theme of this thread is the speech sounded by mr.Brown. It's central point is a social justice. Mr.Brown declares that his party is supporting hard-working majority and also pensioners, single parents, talented children, those who seriously ill.

On the another pole there are the thieves from the city, crooks like mr.Abramovich, bankers who receive huge bonuses while their banks are being bankrupted and their servants including corrupted politicians.

Of course the Tories would serve and defend their masters. For the Conservatives ordinary Britons are no more than useless populations whose interests would be ignored.

Sergey, our "Socialist" government has just presided over the greatest theft of wealth from the workers of Britain in our countries history. They have as much to do with social justice, as Hitler had to do with winning hearts and minds in Russia.

Gordon Brown is a deranged sociopath who probably believes his own lies as he is self deluded. He is the most unpopular PM ever, and after Blair, that is quiet an achievment.

Many of us will celebrate if he takes the honorable course and puts himself out of his misery by either resigning, or better still, borrowing the mess Webley.

It is your life, it is your country, it is up to you to decide. I estimate namely the speech, declared position, the electoral strategy.

Those who predict an easy victory to mr.Cameron I believe would be very surprised. In comparison with such an experienced politician as mr.Brown, mr.Cameron looks as a child.

Unfortunately Sergey, we do not get much say in who rules us in UK, the most powerful man in the UK, Peter Mandleson is a fraudster, is unelected, yet holds the reins of power.

Comrade Gordon has seen fit to also deny our country a say in how we are to be ruled in the future by signing our democracy away with the stroke of a pen. Where I ask, is the social justice in that?

He under equips our forces and condemns the wounded to pitiful compensation, where is the social justice in that?

He preaches British jobs for British workers yet 80% of jobs created under his watch have gone to migrant workers, all this as unemployment is soaring. Where is the social justice in that?

There is a serious democratic deficit in the UK and whilst I have no love of Cameron, in this case, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Sergey my old friend, I do dislike it when we have a thread with Sergey against all.
However the lady who you mentioned did not get sick as a result of government policy.
Troops are dieing as a result of government policy.
Wars are expensive, armed forces are expensive and no British Government has committed Her Majesty's Armed Forces to war as Nue Labour.
john

Most of the ''achievements'' that Bruin trumpeted,are failures.Caused by NuLiabor's desire to break everything that was good in England.Take just one-Educashun.NuLiabor have dumbed down standards and reduced exam results to a lowest common denominator.

The saying that.... "Cyclops and Friends couldn't run a Whelk Stall on the end of Brighton Pier....!" Then it struck me... not the pier....

TV pictures of the burned out end of Brighton Pier reminded me of the state of Nues Arbeits at this time.... So they really couldn't run a Whelk Stall at the end of Brighton Pier, because both are totally, well and truly - fooked!! :P

.. oh well, then..... back to bed for some more zeds... before going into town for a looksee at the posh tottly... the Eye Candy...... Oh fook, I had better make sure I don't break me curfew regs...... :P :P