Miliband - just hearing the word brings on my Tourettes.

We've had our fair share of party drones, incompetents, the occasionally deranged and the outright stupid fill the post of Foreign Secretary, but I'm hard-pressed to remember anyone who's damaged our international prestige the way this chap has simply through other countries assuming that he's the best we can do for the job.

Originally Posted by Spanny

It's different nowadays of course because while not all muslims are terrorists effectively all terrorists are muslims

ETA?

As for the terrorist vs freedom fighter debate, legitimacy of the cause must play a part. However, more important is surely discrimination in the choice of target. Though this is probably where at least part of the distinction between terrorism and guerilla tactics begins.

Interesting subject (i.e. terrorism, guerilla warfare, counterinsurgency etc...) and one that we, as the Army, could do with knowing a great deal about. Of course, that knowledge is only truly useful if it is evident at all levels. Most importantly the political level.

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

Originally Posted by Le_addeur_noir

The boy Miliband is a typical socialist cnut.

No, he's a Marxist through and through.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Miliband

The limp c*** couldn't even do the dirty with his wife, had to adopt two sprogs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-his-sons.html

And if the Daily Mail is correct,a tax dodger.

As this cnut would have sued(at no doubt the expense of the taxpayer)had they been incorrect,I read that as guilty as charged.

In simple language,a typical Liarbore cnut of the first order.

Come the revolution,hopefully Miliband will be one of the first to be hanging from a lamppost in Westminster.

Originally Posted by Le_addeur_noir

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

Originally Posted by Le_addeur_noir

The boy Miliband is a typical socialist cnut.

No, he's a Marxist through and through.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Miliband

The limp c*** couldn't even do the dirty with his wife, had to adopt two sprogs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-his-sons.html

And if the Daily Mail is correct,a tax dodger.

As this cnut would have sued(at no doubt the expense of the taxpayer)had they been incorrect,I read that as guilty as charged.

In simple language,a typical Liarbore cnut of the first order.

Come the revolution,hopefully Miliband will be one of the first to be hanging from a lamppost in Westminster.

Or become Leader of the Oppostion.

I see from looking at his Wikipedia entry,this boy is yet to perform a real day's work.

No surprises,there.

30 grand claimed in expenses,how very New Labour.

I cant imagine how someone with those opinions can ever hope to put themselves forward for the PM job.

Is it not the job of the British PM to hunt terrorists down of any cause and not sympathise with them.

I think this is a new low for this government, I wonder if he has the balls to travel to Helmond and express that opinion to the troops.

Originally Posted by daz527

I think this is a new low for this government, I wonder if he has the balls to travel to Helmond and express that opinion to the troops.

Only if all weapons are secured and ammunition accounted for first.

I met Mr M on one of his trips abroad, and he is, personally, a very nice, able, and polite chap. Then again, Hitler was good with animals, and Joseph Stalin was a great philanthropist (this last bit is not true).

It's always been a problem of the left to consider terrorists as freedom fighters, mainly because so many of them are indeed lefties themselves- or at least claim to be (like the PIRA, ANC, etc). The right are no better really - think of the Contras in Nicaragua - but don't have so many to chose from.

A quick think reveals a list of terrorists (or, as I prefer to think of them, murderers) who went on to political success:

Bishop Makarios*
Jomo Kenyatta*
Menachim Begin*
Yitzhak Rabin*
Yasser Arafat
Gerry Adams*
Martin McGuinness*
Joe Stalin
Nelson Mandela
Robert Mugabe
George Washington*
Eamon De Valera*

(Those with asterisks were involved in killing British Forces)


This is off the top of my head - and I am sure there are many, many more. As noted earlier, one mans' terrorist is another man's freedom fighter....... The one thing this lot have in common is that they participated, planned, or supported, the deaths of innocent people for a political cause. Who will be next on the list? My betting is on a certain Mr O. Bin Laden................

Originally Posted by OldSnowy

I met Mr M on one of his trips abroad, and he is, personally, a very nice, able, and polite chap. Then again, Hitler was good with animals, and Joseph Stalin was a great philanthropist (this last bit is not true).

It's always been a problem of the left to consider terrorists as freedom fighters, mainly because so many of them are indeed lefties themselves- or at least claim to be (like the PIRA, ANC, etc). The right are no better really - think of the Contras in Nicaragua - but don't have so many to chose from.

A quick think reveals a list of terrorists (or, as I prefer to think of them, murderers) who went on to political success:

Bishop Makarios*
Jomo Kenyatta*
Menachim Begin*
Yitzhak Rabin*
Yasser Arafat
Gerry Adams*
Martin McGuinness*
Joe Stalin
Nelson Mandela
Robert Mugabe
George Washington*
Eamon De Valera*

(Those with asterisks were involved in killing British Forces)


This is off the top of my head - and I am sure there are many, many more. As noted earlier, one mans' terrorist is another man's freedom fighter....... The one thing this lot have in common is that they participated, planned, or supported, the deaths of innocent people for a political cause. Who will be next on the list? My betting is on a certain Mr O. Bin Laden................

Adolph Hitler*

One hell of a leftie, he was. (Spent time in jail for his terrorist crimes)

Another infamous terrorist lefty of course was Ulrike Meinhof of the Baader Meinhof Gang aka The Red Army Faction.

Originally Posted by Mr_Deputy

Originally Posted by hedgehog64

Originally Posted by Mr_Deputy

Originally Posted by hedgehog64

Originally Posted by tropper66

The ignorance of our leaders never ceases to amaze me, but then, When I pointed out at a civic function ,to my MP, that the man( Nelson Mandala) they were making a freeman of the city was in fact a convicted terrorist, she went balistic, and I have never been invited again

You made my week Tropper.

I often think that. Must p1ss Gerry Adams RIGHT off that Nelson gets statues and a Specials song - Gerry gets bugged cars and constantly has to deny his associates.

Don't hold your breath mate.Stand by for the Mc Guinness/Adams block of flats in some shoithole. :(

I can imagine. Just off Bobby Sands Avenue

At least Bobby "slimmer of the year" Sands wasn't an Army Tout like Adams & Mcguinness