ARmy Rumour SErvice

**WhiteHorse** · 15-08-2009, 12:51

Originally Posted by tangosix

Hello brownhat,

I don't know the reason for the Americans not sending Abrams to Afghanistan but a flat bottom,torsion bar suspension and gas turbine engine are not qualities I would want to see on a tank in the Afghan theatre.
Or anywhere else for that matter.

tangosix.

UA Abrams are already in Afg, there were at least 5 parked up last week.

As for logistics, we flew Danish Leo 2's in by C17 so I'm sure we could do the same with Chally 2.

**tangosix** · 15-08-2009, 12:58

Hello WhiteHorse,

thankyou for that information,I had no idea they had them out there.
Are they Marines or Army?
I agree with you about getting Challenger out there,as far as I know C17s can move them.

tangosix.

**WhiteHorse** · 15-08-2009, 12:59

Originally Posted by tangosix

Hello WhiteHorse,

thankyou for that information,I had no idea they had them out there.
Are they Marines or Army?

tangosix.

Well I didn't get that close but they were in a 2 MEB holding area, but I'm not saying which one.

**lsquared** · 15-08-2009, 13:03

Originally Posted by tropper66

Maybe the powers that be are going to post the whole Army to Afghanistan, close Batus and use Helmand instead, hundreds of Challys swaning around blasting the place to shite, massive new camp at Bastion with MQs Swiming pools cinemas. New International Airport ect
Well if we are going to be there for the next forty years

We have only used Batus since 1970, before that we used the Western Desert in Libya, so why not, in forty years if we stay that long, we could build a railway from the sea, and all sorts of inferstructure

One minor flaw in 'tropper66's' cunning plan - the nearest sea to Afghanistan is 280 miles south through Baluchistan. Sad that, because railways are wonderful and I'm sure the Taliban would never, ever, think of blowing the track up :D

PS: We could of course place the railway in a tunnel - not good news for train-spotters, but safer, except when the track emerges at the sea-shore

**Mr_Creosote** · 15-08-2009, 13:08

Originally Posted by lsquared

Originally Posted by tropper66

Maybe the powers that be are going to post the whole Army to Afghanistan, close Batus and use Helmand instead, hundreds of Challys swaning around blasting the place to shite, massive new camp at Bastion with MQs Swiming pools cinemas. New International Airport ect
Well if we are going to be there for the next forty years

We have only used Batus since 1970, before that we used the Western Desert in Libya, so why not, in forty years if we stay that long, we could build a railway from the sea, and all sorts of inferstructure

One minor flaw in 'tropper66's' cunning plan - the nearest sea to Afghanistan is 280 miles south through Baluchistan. Sad that, because railways are wonderful and I'm sure the Taliban would never, ever, think of blowing the track up :D

PS: We could of course place the railway in a tunnel - not good news for train-spotters, but safer, except when the track emerges at the sea-shore

Tunnels eh? Of course, there's NEVER been any trouble with tunnels in AFG.

Never been ANY trouble at the Salang Tunnel, for instance.

**tropper66** · 15-08-2009, 13:11

Originally Posted by Mr_Creosote

Originally Posted by lsquared

Originally Posted by tropper66

Maybe the powers that be are going to post the whole Army to Afghanistan, close Batus and use Helmand instead, hundreds of Challys swaning around blasting the place to shite, massive new camp at Bastion with MQs Swiming pools cinemas. New International Airport ect
Well if we are going to be there for the next forty years

We have only used Batus since 1970, before that we used the Western Desert in Libya, so why not, in forty years if we stay that long, we could build a railway from the sea, and all sorts of inferstructure

One minor flaw in 'tropper66's' cunning plan - the nearest sea to Afghanistan is 280 miles south through Baluchistan. Sad that, because railways are wonderful and I'm sure the Taliban would never, ever, think of blowing the track up :D

PS: We could of course place the railway in a tunnel - not good news for train-spotters, but safer, except when the track emerges at the sea-shore

Tunnels eh? Of course, there's NEVER been any trouble with tunnels in AFG.

Never been ANY trouble at the Salang Tunnel, for instance.

I like Afghanistan, I went there on holiday once

**Pox_Dr** · 15-08-2009, 13:16

Originally Posted by cowen1966

Many officers who were out on operations in Iraq commented on the fact that whilst it was amazing to see an apache above you, they almost always would rather see the chally 2. I realize that both the canadians and the Dutch have their leopard tanks there already, however they don't have the same ability to take the hammering that the chally does. There was a report from Iraq that 1 challenger 2 took 11 IED hits in 5 km. My question is should we deploy them?

Interesting 1st post...............I smell a Journo

**wildcard.rgbw** · 15-08-2009, 13:19

Originally Posted by Pox_Dr

Originally Posted by cowen1966

Many officers who were out on operations in Iraq commented on the fact that whilst it was amazing to see an apache above you, they almost always would rather see the chally 2. I realize that both the canadians and the Dutch have their leopard tanks there already, however they don't have the same ability to take the hammering that the chally does. There was a report from Iraq that 1 challenger 2 took 11 IED hits in 5 km. My question is should we deploy them?

Interesting 1st post...............I smell a Journo

*sniffs* What paper do you work for than?

**RACsucker** · 15-08-2009, 13:22

I work with the things, and they terrify me in all honesty, god only knows what it does to their morale, (their god probably does, it causes them to blow themselves up).
Give us another bite at the cherry with this awesome bit of kit, Like it's been said, even if its just in a holding role till it proper kicks off, or, and I'm gonna regret this, absorbing the IED's, GULP.
The rest of the infantry is doing a great job, but why not let us take some of the strain, and some of the fire.

**jack5760** · 15-08-2009, 13:28

Originally Posted by SkiCarver

AIUI concrete training rounds were used in Iraq. Without breaching opsec, would they not have more utility in AFG than HE rounds due to the elimination of blast? i would suspect the kinetic effect would be enough against most targets. Perhaps that could be used as a justification for the deployment of chally II, and their soaking up of IEDs being a useful side-effect.

yes this would solve some of the problem of blast and collateral damage where the target is but you have to keep in mind, if there not much distance bettween the cr2 and target there is still a 20kg SH/PRAC travleing at 500m/s also if you are even in a semi built up area the preasure wave of the round being fired is enough to knock over buildings let alone guys on the ground. but a cr2 would be very usefull in the situation you just gota tell the guys to move away :D