Thread: Brum race riot

Originally Posted by Markintime

Originally Posted by stacker1

Originally Posted by Markintime

In Sharia Law it says that you can't be charged extortionate charges by your bank, now I certainly wouldn't argue with that, would you?

Thank goodness for Sharia law then, because we would never be able to implement a law ourselves without their help.

Oh and Sharia law forbids banks from giving you interest on your savings I suppose you wouldn't argue with that either.

That's exactly the point I'm trying to make Stacker, if we implement the law for ourselves than we are adopting and adapting an aspect of Sharia Law for our own needs. Any political party that included a promise to bring in a law which forbade banks to make exorbitant charges would be a serious contender for my vote.
Don't discount something just because it is part of Sharia Law but if it fits your needs then adopt it. Our own laws are none to dissimilar to Sharia Law. They outlaw murder, so do we. Should we now legalise murder because it is also part of Sharia Law? I'm not advocating making Muslim Law the guiding principle of our Law I'm just saying that if it will benefit us then why automatically discount it? Over the years we've adapted Greek, Roman, French, German, Indian and European Law to suit our own needs, why is it that Sharia Law must be taboo in extant?

Certainly adapt any part of any law that is sensible and beneficial to the public. However, I think that the point is that Sharia law should not be allowed to function as a parrallel law to our own law. Our law may be copied by other countries as a basis for their own system, but would not be tolerated as an equal law, say in Iran e.g. Also. I don't believe that it was inferred that mulim and hebrew followers should be disallowed to exercise any of their rights, quite the contrary, I would say that we bend over backward to accomodate them. The point made was that Halal prepared meat, is ritualistic and cruel and should be outlawed. Then, yes they would be denied. But as stated, Halal prepared meat is not an imperative, but I doubt that many of their faith are told that. Therefore they can eat the same meat as we do, or not as they wish. Some muslims see this as yet another attack on their beliefs.

Originally Posted by stacker1

Originally Posted by hairyarse2

But the question was, is it classed as 'Rent'?
IE Do the DSS pay the rent, if the person holding the mortgage is out of work?

Have a read of these.

http://www.mortgages.co.uk/islamic-m...c-finance.html

Ijara
This is a type of arrangement where an Islamic bank leases equipment or a building to a customer in return for a rental payment.

The rent is a fixed sum so the bank is sure to get its investment back with profit. A variation of the agreement is Ijara wa iqtina which has the same arrangement but the agreement is to purchase. This is a popular option.

Woo Hoo, it's the way ahead if you're workshy. Must get Sharia mortgage.

Originally Posted by Markintime

Originally Posted by LancePrivateJones

You two having some sort of spelling crisis?

Did they mean "armatures"? Is it some form of light industrial protest involving windings?

Apparently they used to make armatures in Birmingham you know.

This thread is about Birmingham is'nt it?

I think I may riot.

Then we can have a thread about neo-classicism.[/quote]

Top post LPJ [/quote]

I set 'em up, he knocks 'em down.

I would like to thank 'Bluntslane' and 'Markintime' for their crafty use of vernacular and it has been a pleasure doing business with them.

Viva Birmingham.

Originally Posted by parapauk

Originally Posted by Biped

That's what I think this is about. The long term goal of making us all global citizens in a socialist dystopia, sorry, Utopia. A place from which we cannot remove ourselves if we don't like it, for there is nowhere to go. A place where the global socialist government takes care of us all, minds how we think and act, and controls the means of production - EVERYWHERE!

Why is this? I'll tell you why this is. International Marxism/Leftism/Socialism sees and plans for a global super-state. The entire world a single entity, with a global government, obviously a global socialist paradise, controlled by the left, in which the nation state has ceased to exist. If you have a tribe, with a nation and a strong self-awareness, identity, then if will be the hardest to dissolve - see 'EU Referendum' for a case in point.

Proof positive that if you let a paranoid delusional type long enough, he'll reveal himself to be the loon he really is. Your place is with the people who live in the mountains of the western US, fully stocked up with guns and ammo, waiting for the UN black helecopters.

Is that not a stereotype the same as saying all black men are rapists or muslims are terrorists or all liberals are vicious potential mass murderers in disguise?

Originally Posted by Whet

Originally Posted by maguire

'Integrate - ask the Irish to, in their Irish pubs and Irish areas. But no, you carry on banging on about all those easy targets.'

whet - I'm first generation english from an irish family - what do you know about irish integration? have you heard irish immigrants screaming discrmination and playing the race card every time they dont get their own way? do you hear them demanding the english change their ways to suit their tastes? when you do, then you can use that argument.

Oh yes, one or two trotted out the 'No blacks, no Irish' thing. And do you know - I've never heard anything from the asians in my area about discrimination. Mind, just for you I'll ask them when I go to their do at the Town Hall on Thursday.

This is not a dig at the Irish community - my family originate from County Longford on one side - I welcome all legal immigrants equally because they enhance our way of life. I'm just showing the bollox that the bigots trot out.

Whet, the UK is full, we have to control immigration...if you cant see that then its tw@ts like you who are making sure this country is sliding down faster than ever, there are a lot of immigrants who are legal, but still cause crime, the dont pay taxes but sponge of the state, as stated previous we have our home grown shite, but lets clean up the immigrants who come to our shores just to enjoy our tax payers bounty.

Originally Posted by Whet

Originally Posted by whitecity

Originally Posted by Whet

Value added.

How about Nigerians pay on average £500 more tax than those born here. Or that if we sent Philipinos or Nigerians home en masse then the hospital system would collapse, given that most of them work there. Or how about the fact that Eastern Europeans are stopping your grannys from being thrown out in the street because they can't afford to stay in the nursing home.

Changed your mind? No?

Didn't think it would.

You are quite right to point out that UK Plc is now utterly reliant on foreign labour to keep the cogs turning.

Have a look in the mirror Whet to find the reason!

The reason is that we don't have enough people to do the jobs available. Therefore the unattractive positions don't get filled. This is of course all the way from scientists and engineers to granny farming.

So how come there is major unemployment issues in the UK then......you r a fecking chopper

Originally Posted by Whet

Stalin had jews in his family - married to his offspring.

And they turned out well didn't they?

Also I'll bet the blushing brides and grooms stated they were atheist and as we all know Muslim isn't a race neither is Jewishness.

Originally Posted by Markintime

Originally Posted by All_I_Want

Originally Posted by All_I_Want

Originally Posted by Markintime

Why shouldn't someone be able to eat halal meat or kosher meat? I know one or two Christians who would be outraged if they couldn't get fish on a Friday.

Ok.

My family decided to visit a restaurant on Sunday night, as we were walking in some people (Muslim I presume) were walking out talking about why they need a place to eat that does halal.
So I walked in quite pleased really that this restaurant does the decent thing and gets it meat from a slaughterhouse that abides by the law and stuns its animals in the HUMANE way before slaughter.

Maybe I should start asking next time I go to eat out......Yes I think I will.

Any comments MIT?

They exercise their right to not eat meat that wasn't prepared in a way that they prefer. You have the right to go into an Asian restaurant and ask if the meat is Halal, if it is then you have the right to walk out. Similarly a vegetarian has the right to to leave a place that sells any meat, however slaughtered. I don't assume that because someone is vegetarian or vegan that they are an animal rights extremist and I don't assume that a Muslim or Jew who prefers meat prepared their way will be a terrorist.
I'm not some crusading evangelist for multiculturalism, I'm just someone who feels that most people on all sides are just ordinary Joes trying to get by and embracing a new culture whilst still clinging to some memories of home. Much like my friends who live in Spain go to the local bar for a full English every now and then. They're not trying to change the Spanish culture they're just trying to enjoy a bit of home.

But the point is, at one time I would not have to ask if they do halal, it would be presumed.
Now everytime I buy meat I will have to ask.
Its not the same as veggies as that is an easy choice to make - Don't eat meat.
I am not saying they are terrorists, I am talking about the way we do things, i.e. stun before killing. Why do we not just bin all the stunning then? I am sure it would actually save quite a bit of money.

Please do not bring the Spanish settlers in to this as I do not agree with them changing the place they have chosen to live, albeit very similar to their home country.
On the bit I have bolded, I agree they should be doing that as they have chosen to live here, and the second third and fourth generations can blame their parents.

Originally Posted by All_I_Want

But the point is, at one time I would not have to ask if they do halal, it would be presumed.
Now everytime I buy meat I will have to ask.
Its not the same as veggies as that is an easy choice to make - Don't eat meat.
I am not saying they are terrorists, I am talking about the way we do things, i.e. stun before killing. Why do we not just bin all the stunning then? I am sure it would actually save quite a bit of money.

Please do not bring the Spanish settlers in to this as I do not agree with them changing the place they have chosen to live, albeit very similar to their home country.
On the bit I have bolded, I agree they should be doing that as they have chosen to live here, and the second third and fourth generations can blame their parents.

I'm not sure I entirely get your point, my apologies , I'm not deliberately being obtuse.
Halal meat is sold here because there is a demand for it, presumably for the Muslim population, similarly there is quite a large Kosher section in my local Waitrose, (btw did you know that you can get Kosher Coca-Cola?) again there must be a demand for it otherwise it would not be there.
I agree that it seems bizarre that an animal should have to suffer for religious ritual but then again I find it bizarre that almost all religions are about peace and harmony but more people are killed over religion and it causes more hatred than anything else.
I should imagine that like everything else there is a European Directive that says ritual animal slaughter is allowed because the slaughtering of meat is far more controlled now than it has ever been, thanks to the EU!

Originally Posted by Markintime

Originally Posted by All_I_Want

But the point is, at one time I would not have to ask if they do halal, it would be presumed.
Now everytime I buy meat I will have to ask.
Its not the same as veggies as that is an easy choice to make - Don't eat meat.
I am not saying they are terrorists, I am talking about the way we do things, i.e. stun before killing. Why do we not just bin all the stunning then? I am sure it would actually save quite a bit of money.

Please do not bring the Spanish settlers in to this as I do not agree with them changing the place they have chosen to live, albeit very similar to their home country.
On the bit I have bolded, I agree they should be doing that as they have chosen to live here, and the second third and fourth generations can blame their parents.

I'm not sure I entirely get your point, my apologies , I'm not deliberately being obtuse.
Halal meat is sold here because there is a demand for it, presumably for the Muslim population, similarly there is quite a large Kosher section in my local Waitrose, (btw did you know that you can get Kosher Coca-Cola?) again there must be a demand for it otherwise it would not be there.
I agree that it seems bizarre that an animal should have to suffer for religious ritual but then again I find it bizarre that almost all religions are about peace and harmony but more people are killed over religion and it causes more hatred than anything else.
I should imagine that like everything else there is a European Directive that says ritual animal slaughter is allowed because the slaughtering of meat is far more controlled now than it has ever been, thanks to the EU!

All true and scientifically ridiculous. I can only say, thank fcuk that christian priests do not personally cut the throats of beasts, as often does the community Rabbi. They are really still performing a sacrificial offering to their God. Talk about living in the past.

Not that I have a great deal of time for Christian priests either, in their pathetic fancy get ups. If you want to be a tranny, get the wig as well.
My religion? Devout Cynic and borderline Agnostic.

Originally Posted by hairyarse2

Is there any truth in the rumour, if you get a mortgage from a Sharia Bank, the bank buys the house for you, and then you rent the house from the bank, until the full amount is paid off.
The house is then legally yours.
There is a hell of a difference between paying a mortgage, and paying rent, especially if you don't have a job. I've heard these rumours loads of times. I would love to have a definitive answer. Genuine Question.

That's true, I had not thought about that side of it. Thus if a Muslim and a Brit both lost their jobs, the Muslim would have his 'rent' paid for by housing benefit, whereas the Brit with a mortgage would be told to go forth and multiply.

Fair and equitable system....


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Originally Posted by Markintime

I should imagine that like everything else there is a European Directive that says ritual animal slaughter is allowed because the slaughtering of meat is far more controlled now than it has ever been, thanks to the EU!

It is more divisive than that. The law says that all animals MUST be stunned prior to slaughter. Then there is a sub-clause that says - not for Muslims and Jews.

As ever, one rule for us......


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Originally Posted by LancePrivateJones

I would like to thank 'Bluntslane' and 'Markintime' for their crafty use of vernacular and it has been a pleasure doing business with them.

Viva Birmingham.

My pleasure, unknown brother-in-arms.

As an aside a brummie once provided one of the funniest moments in my life.

In early 1980 I had cause to visit the clothing dept of the QMs at Gibraltar Barracks at Minley. Upon successful completion of business I cheerfully thanked "Brum" behind the counter and he promptly retorted,

"O'IM NOT A BRUMMY, O'IM FROM SULLYHULL"
Every day a day at school.

Originally Posted by bluntslane

Originally Posted by LancePrivateJones

I would like to thank 'Bluntslane' and 'Markintime' for their crafty use of vernacular and it has been a pleasure doing business with them.

Viva Birmingham.

My pleasure, unknown brother-in-arms.

As an aside a brummie once provided one of the funniest moments in my life.

In early 1980 I had cause to visit the clothing dept of the QMs at Gibraltar Barracks at Minley. Upon successful completion of business I cheerfully thanked "Brum" behind the counter and he promptly retorted,

"O'IM NOT A BRUMMY, O'IM FROM SULLYHULL"
Every day a day at school.

I can imagine his pique at your effrontery.

They are dead posh from there you know.

PS : Well done on mentioning Birmingham, it's been a long time since that happened on this thread hasn't it?