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Originally Posted by Listy

Originally Posted by The_Seagull

Originally Posted by Biscuits_AB

I think 'unacceptable' would be more apt.

Yeah, what he said. This is truly frightening. Some bouncers are still (despite the SIA regulations) not a lot more than thugs and posers.

I think you missed a point here, the SIA are a bunch of chimps who have massively failed in their remit (apart from taxing the industry and making life damn hard for the guards).

I agree in your view of the SIA, However before the Legislation the Industry was "very" bad, but not all Door Supervisor staff are as bad as whats been reported on here .

I know plenty of DS who have been campaigning long & hard in getting the training improved for all concerned, which can only be better for "Everyone" within this Industry.

I believe from April 2010 many improvements to the DS course will be implemented, as already stated the Chief Constable of that area will have a contributing factor in this issue as well, after all we all want a safe night out in the Pubbing & Nightclub Environment don't we???

The DS I know are from all walks of life including the Services and further afield,

They all agree that the public perception DS has'nt been good in the past but slowly it will change given time, that can't be said for all areas but with all working industrys you always have a certain minority of substandard personnel.

Originally Posted by beemer007

Originally Posted by Listy

Originally Posted by The_Seagull

Originally Posted by Biscuits_AB

I think 'unacceptable' would be more apt.

Yeah, what he said. This is truly frightening. Some bouncers are still (despite the SIA regulations) not a lot more than thugs and posers.

I think you missed a point here, the SIA are a bunch of chimps who have massively failed in their remit (apart from taxing the industry and making life damn hard for the guards).

I agree in your view of the SIA, However before the Legislation the Industry was "very" bad, but not all Door Supervisor staff are as bad as whats been reported on here .

I know plenty of DS who have been campaigning long & hard in getting the training improved for all concerned, which can only be better for "Everyone" within this Industry.

I believe from April 2010 many improvements to the DS course will be implemented, as already stated the Chief Constable of that area will have a contributing factor in this issue as well, after all we all want a safe night out in the Pubbing & Nightclub Environment don't we???

The DS I know are from all walks of life including the Services and further afield,

They all agree that the public perception DS has'nt been good in the past but slowly it will change given time, that can't be said for all areas but with all working industrys you always have a certain minority of substandard personnel.

What a load of political 'waffle'....the usual "I believe"...."hope that"..it means nothing m8 and what has it got to do with semi literate apes having the POSSIBILITY of having the power to issue on the spot...'sorry M8 don't have the cash 'n' my electrons empty till my next doley so f**k off fines..I'm O2...for this effort you should join me...

Originally Posted by beemer007

Originally Posted by Listy

Originally Posted by The_Seagull

Originally Posted by Biscuits_AB

I think 'unacceptable' would be more apt.

Yeah, what he said. This is truly frightening. Some bouncers are still (despite the SIA regulations) not a lot more than thugs and posers.

I think you missed a point here, the SIA are a bunch of chimps who have massively failed in their remit (apart from taxing the industry and making life damn hard for the guards).

I agree in your view of the SIA, However before the Legislation the Industry was "very" bad, but not all Door Supervisor staff are as bad as whats been reported on here .

I know plenty of DS who have been campaigning long & hard in getting the training improved for all concerned, which can only be better for "Everyone" within this Industry.

I believe from April 2010 many improvements to the DS course will be implemented, as already stated the Chief Constable of that area will have a contributing factor in this issue as well, after all we all want a safe night out in the Pubbing & Nightclub Environment don't we???

The DS I know are from all walks of life including the Services and further afield,

They all agree that the public perception DS has'nt been good in the past but slowly it will change given time, that can't be said for all areas but with all working industrys you always have a certain minority of substandard personnel.

There are some decent door staff and private security types around, but I would argue that they don't form the majority. Often, the type of people attracted to the work are wannabe gangsters, people who couldn't earn a proper uniform (in the military, police or any other service) and those who were bullied at school and never got over it.

Originally Posted by The_Seagull

Originally Posted by Biscuits_AB

I think 'unacceptable' would be more apt.

Yeah, what he said. This is truly frightening. Some bouncers are still (despite the SIA regulations) not a lot more than thugs and posers.

It won't be long and the Sandford Neighbourhood Watch Alliance will be dishing out summary justice.

For the Greater Good. :D

yarp

But John Howson, deputy chairman of the 30,000 Magistrates’ Association in England and Wales, said there were already numerous examples of such tickets being issued inappropriately. “Our concern is that here we have essentially a ‘third-tier’ police force that is now including security guards and door supervisors. These people need to check the Police National Computer to see if the person has a criminal record. We don’t think it appropriate for these people to have that access.”

Together with conditional cautions, such “out-of-court” penalties are now handed out to half of all 1.4 million offenders dealt with a year.

Their concern has been fuelled by comments this week from the Director of Public Prosecutions, Keir Starmer, QC, backing the use of out-of-court penalties. He said the workload of the courts would rise by two to threefold of all the minor offences dealt with in this way if they had to come into the courts. But Mr Howson said: “The DPP should not be considering what was expedient but what is just.”

Paul Allen, chairman of the Norfolk magistrates’ bench, said: “All magistrates in the country are concerned about this, because it has been done without any consultation with us.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6727070.ece


Seemly the yarpping is being very profitable too welcome to the STATE of Britain!

Originally Posted by hogg

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/community-policing/accpersonpowers

actually, when you read all the documents, it's really scary

It's worse. That document was issued in Apr 06. The later version, issued in Oct 07, is more sweeping.

The earlier document starts with the line (my bold)

Chief officers may choose to give accredited persons in their force all, some or none of the below powers

The later document dispenses with that caveat and simply states that

Chief officers may choose to give accredited persons all, some or none of the below powers

At least originally they anticipated these powers being reserved to people who worked for chief plod. Now they can be given to anyone.

Will these 'accredited persons' be issuing penalty notices for "sale of alcohol to a person who is drunk" under s141 of the Licensing Act (2003)? Might need to fine their own bar staff!!

People can exercise their rights as customers, their legal rights and what I would call their "extra legal rights".

As customers - don't go to these places employing these goons. I haven't been to a nightclub in years and am all the better for it.

Legal rights- I do not believe you have to accept a summary fixed penalty fine and can exercise the option of being charged with an offence by a "proper copper" instead. Although I may be wrong and I await correction! In the meantime, assuming I am correct, you have various opportunities for timewasting and general obstruction offered by the legal system that may end up with a case being dropped six months or a year down the line when the witnesses can't be bothered to turn up or have forgotten etc. Works best if everyone decides to do it, the courts are on strike because of low pay etc...

"Extra legal rights" - tell the 'accredited person' to foxtrot-oscar and leg it. I bet the cops won't bother chasing it up. Especially if you're on a bike and some jobsworth wants to enforce a 19th century law relating to cycling on footways that pre-dates the motor car and boy racers and juggernaut lorries etc and is subject to Home Office guidance on when such offences should be treated with discretion when there is no danger posed by said cycling (any cycling Nazi will point you in this general online direction). If you're on a bike you may have the advantage of speed as well (unless it's uphill).