Originally Posted by leveller

Absolute joke, so what are you going to do with Coke/Crack/Meth/Hash/Weed/Speed/E's/PCP/etc then?

Just a reminder, dont forget prohibition worked well in the States didnt it??

Fuck em. Let them die or sober up.
Pandering to them just makes it worse. Go to Atlantic City if you want to see how a nice cushy life plus access to drugs equals zombies. Why cater for that? I see no reason. Fewer drugs on the streeet equals fewer junkies. That, by the way, is what they call a good thing.

Also Prohibition was a good exercise but in terms of your using it as an example - it doesn't work as alcohol is not quite the same as heroin etc. The addictive qualities of alcohol are far less than opiates etc. Don't bother arguing that with me (about figures for alcoholics etc - I know they exist no one is saying otherwise) its not worth it. Dope is far more addictivce and likely to screw your life up if you try it more than once or twice.

Originally Posted by Mr_Deputy

Originally Posted by leveller

Absolute joke, so what are you going to do with Coke/Crack/Meth/Hash/Weed/Speed/E's/PCP/etc then?

Just a reminder, dont forget prohibition worked well in the States didnt it??

Fuck em. Let them die or sober up.
Pandering to them just makes it worse. Go to Atlantic City if you want to see how a nice cushy life plus access to drugs equals zombies. Why cater for that? I see no reason. Fewer drugs on the streeet equals fewer junkies. That, by the way, is what they call a good thing.

Also Prohibition was a good exercise but in terms of your using it as an example - it doesn't work as alcohol is not quite the same as heroin etc. The addictive qualities of alcohol are far less than opiates etc. Don't bother arguing that with me (about figures for alcoholics etc - I know they exist no one is saying otherwise) its not worth it. Dope is far more addictivce and likely to screw your life up if you try it more than once or twice.

So you wipe out the Afgan poppy trade, then it will be grown in Turkey (already is both legal and illegal), Jordan, Lebenon, some split state of the USSR, or what about the South americans having a go to fill the gap?

So where gonna invade these places inturn?

I have only known one person to die from Heroin, but plenty from Alcohol, or needing a new liver.

Ask Jarrod which is harder to break the addiction, I think it would be alcohol.

Originally Posted by leveller

So you wipe out the Afgan poppy trade, then it will be grown in Turkey (already is both legal and illegal), Jordan, Lebenon, some split state of the USSR, or what about the South americans having a go to fill the gap?

But you are not wiping it out. It is still there, but turned to legal purposes.

And funny you should mention Turkey: http://www.poppyformedicine.net/modules/case_studies

MSR

Is it practical for them to grow another crop that could be useful for their home and export markets, such as something you can make bio-diesel from or other medical plants?

Originally Posted by leveller

Originally Posted by Mr_Deputy

Originally Posted by leveller

Absolute joke, so what are you going to do with Coke/Crack/Meth/Hash/Weed/Speed/E's/PCP/etc then?

Just a reminder, dont forget prohibition worked well in the States didnt it??

Fuck em. Let them die or sober up.
Pandering to them just makes it worse. Go to Atlantic City if you want to see how a nice cushy life plus access to drugs equals zombies. Why cater for that? I see no reason. Fewer drugs on the streeet equals fewer junkies. That, by the way, is what they call a good thing.

Also Prohibition was a good exercise but in terms of your using it as an example - it doesn't work as alcohol is not quite the same as heroin etc. The addictive qualities of alcohol are far less than opiates etc. Don't bother arguing that with me (about figures for alcoholics etc - I know they exist no one is saying otherwise) its not worth it. Dope is far more addictivce and likely to screw your life up if you try it more than once or twice.

So you wipe out the Afgan poppy trade, then it will be grown in Turkey (already is both legal and illegal), Jordan, Lebenon, some split state of the USSR, or what about the South americans having a go to fill the gap?

If Turkey want to be in the EU they will have to spend serious money and effort in reducing the production in that case. Which they would probably do. Arab countries such as the ones you mentioned might pick up the trade but why don't they already if there is such a market?
The point is that its already happening - I could prob go out and buy some badly cut skanky heroin within an hour if I go into London.

It boils down to this : Opium has some positive uses, there is a world wide medical need for it so taking the Afghan production by the balls would have a number of good effects.

Originally Posted by msr

Originally Posted by leveller

So you wipe out the Afgan poppy trade, then it will be grown in Turkey (already is both legal and illegal), Jordan, Lebenon, some split state of the USSR, or what about the South americans having a go to fill the gap?

But you are not wiping it out. It is still there, but turned to legal purposes.

And funny you should mention Turkey: http://www.poppyformedicine.net/modules/case_studies

MSR

Well you wont wipe out the junkies I'll put my house on it.

Look under Tazmania for 50% of Medical Opiates

Originally Posted by leveller

Originally Posted by msr

Originally Posted by leveller

So you wipe out the Afgan poppy trade, then it will be grown in Turkey (already is both legal and illegal), Jordan, Lebenon, some split state of the USSR, or what about the South americans having a go to fill the gap?

But you are not wiping it out. It is still there, but turned to legal purposes.

And funny you should mention Turkey: http://www.poppyformedicine.net/modules/case_studies

MSR

Well you wont wipe out the junkies I'll put my house on it.

Look under Tazmania for 50% of Medical Opiates

Of course not But that is not what this solution is about...

Having spent time working as part of a garrison towns Mental Health Team and with their Methadone Clinic I can only say that 'shooting' all Heroin/Opiate misusers would mean including many ex-service people and even some still serving It is a sad fact that the number of people both misusing and those medically dependant after injuries received, often on active or essential service is growing rapidly(myself included) without prescribed opiate based meds I would have no quality of life at all I am an ex-serviceman and my current need began following injuries incurred while on duty.If buying the poppy crop could increase the stock of legal pain relieving drugs I can certainly see need for this.Unfortunately AFG also provides a growing number of people who need this product both with or without prescription.

We're not saying do away with patients administered opiate type medications you lunatic. Do away with scumbag heroin junkies.

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

We're not saying do away with patients administered opiate type medications you lunatic. Do away with scumbag heroin junkies.

Problem is, not all 'junkies' are street or squat dwellers, most are normal members of the community, and you wont be able to spot them. Doctors can be some of the worst offenders of opiates, remember the concervativce medical advisor, had been jacking up for years!