Thread: Individual Liberty - Finally some sense....

Finally, some traditional Conservative value coming back into politics:

As David Cameron has said, there is now a clear dividing line between Labour’s creeping authoritarianism and the Conservatives’ “instinctive desire to give people more power and control over their lives�, “our intention to change fundamentally the balance of power between the citizen and the state� and a deep commitment to “enhancing personal freedom and limiting the State’s power


Individual Liberty - sense at last

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Finally, some traditional Conservative value coming back into politics:

As David Cameron has said, there is now a clear dividing line between Labour’s creeping authoritarianism and the Conservatives’ “instinctive desire to give people more power and control over their lives�, “our intention to change fundamentally the balance of power between the citizen and the state� and a deep commitment to “enhancing personal freedom and limiting the State’s power


Individual Liberty - sense at last

No politician of any persuasion has any intention of giving anyone any power or "control over their lives". The Conservatives may believe in the State doing less but they certainly don't believe in allowing anyone more personal freedom. They will cut back Govt spending and reduce taxs a percentage point or so - but what pieces of intrusive legislation will they repeal ?

Test case - Will I have the power to run a new piece of electrical cable in my own house without a "qualified" electrician "certifying" the work ?

Originally Posted by saladin

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Finally, some traditional Conservative value coming back into politics:

As David Cameron has said, there is now a clear dividing line between Labour’s creeping authoritarianism and the Conservatives’ “instinctive desire to give people more power and control over their lives�, “our intention to change fundamentally the balance of power between the citizen and the state� and a deep commitment to “enhancing personal freedom and limiting the State’s power


Individual Liberty - sense at last

Test case - Will I have the power to run a new piece of electrical cable in my own house without a "qualified" electrician "certifying" the work ?

Test case - house burns down due to shoddy electrics as new owners didn't know they had to 'wiggle the socket a bit first or it will arc' Is this all David Cameron's fault?

Cameron will probably have a breeze of a job if he gets in. No money to spend and very low expectations. Be like being Govenor of a third world island back in the 1920s. Watch him start appearing in a linen suit and periodically not be seen in parliament due to contracting beriberi.

Originally Posted by Mr_Deputy

Originally Posted by saladin

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Finally, some traditional Conservative value coming back into politics:

As David Cameron has said, there is now a clear dividing line between Labour’s creeping authoritarianism and the Conservatives’ “instinctive desire to give people more power and control over their lives�, “our intention to change fundamentally the balance of power between the citizen and the state� and a deep commitment to “enhancing personal freedom and limiting the State’s power


Individual Liberty - sense at last

No politician of any persuasion has any intention of giving anyone any power or "control over their lives". The Conservatives may believe in the State doing less but they certainly don't believe in allowing anyone more personal freedom. They will cut back Govt spending and reduce taxs a percentage point or so - but what pieces of intrusive legislation will they repeal ?

Test case - Will I have the power to run a new piece of electrical cable in my own house without a "qualified" electrician "certifying" the work ?

Test case - house burns down due to shoddy electrics. Is this all David Cameron's fault?

Cameron will probably have a breeze of a job if he gets in. No money to spend and very low expectations. Be like being Govenor of a third world island back in the 1920s.

That pretty much sums up where we are, thanks to Blair, Gordo and "The Project"...

If Cameron is serious about this the first two things he will do is impliment a proper Bill of Rights (We already have a rather good one, it was never passed into law alas, the US Consitution is based on it), and a Supreme Court with the power and obligation to uphold it and strike down any legislation that is contrary to it.

I'm not sure the people will be able to cope with thinking for themselves again.

Let's give it a go though!

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

If Cameron is serious about this the first two things he will do is impliment a proper Bill of Rights (We already have a rather good one, it was never passed into law alas, the US Consitution is based on it), and a Supreme Court with the power and obligation to uphold it and strike down any legislation that is contrary to it.

No, we simply need to return to running this country along the lines given in the Bill of Rights and Magna Carta.
Ditch everything created in the last 25 years and start again.

As for Cameron giving us our rights and freedoms back, he'll have to work hard to prove that to me.
First and foremost I want one law for this country, no Sharia Courts, no different laws for MP's. Will he give me that?
Will he return law making to the UK or allow the fukking French and Germans to make our laws in the EU?

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Finally, some traditional Conservative value coming back into politics:

As David Cameron has said, there is now a clear dividing line between Labour’s creeping authoritarianism and the Conservatives’ “instinctive desire to give people more power and control over their lives�, “our intention to change fundamentally the balance of power between the citizen and the state� and a deep commitment to “enhancing personal freedom and limiting the State’s power


Individual Liberty - sense at last

What a crock of sh*t. How much hardline Conservative opposition to the creeping erosion of rights has there been?

He has had ample opportunity and been found lacking. MP's expenses? Oh he was quite forthright over erosion of rights on that issue, in favour of his trough-guzzling mates.

He is the worst kind of lickspittle there is.

Year Zero the bloody place, then nail the Magna Carta to the front door and start again.

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Let's give it a go though!

I'd like to but I don't believe any of them. I might be getting cynical but I can just see Tory govt's of old and we'll have sky high interest rates.

Originally Posted by jarrod248

I'm not sure the people will be able to cope with thinking for themselves again.

eh? WTF?!?!?? Sod that!

Originally Posted by jagman

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

If Cameron is serious about this the first two things he will do is impliment a proper Bill of Rights (We already have a rather good one, it was never passed into law alas, the US Consitution is based on it), and a Supreme Court with the power and obligation to uphold it and strike down any legislation that is contrary to it.

No, we simply need to return to running this country along the lines given in the Bill of Rights and Magna Carta.
Ditch everything created in the last 25 years and start again.

As for Cameron giving us our rights and freedoms back, he'll have to work hard to prove that to me.
First and foremost I want one law for this country, no Sharia Courts, no different laws for MP's. Will he give me that?
Will he return law making to the UK or allow the fukking French and Germans to make our laws in the EU?

Too late to pull out of the EU now it's too good amoney-making scheme for some.
I don't believe Cameron will indeed give us our rights back and the talk of getting rid of quango's - wasn't it the tories that started them in the first place?

Originally Posted by PartTimePongo

What a crock of sh*t. How much hardline Conservative opposition to the creeping erosion of rights has there been?

Off the top of my head - ID cards for one....

Originally Posted by jarrod248

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Let's give it a go though!

I'd like to but I don't believe any of them. I might be getting cynical but I can just see Tory govt's of old and we'll have sky high interest rates.

Why?

The Tories opposed ID cards? Really? Or just felt the public mood on them?

Sorry Tatty , but this clownshoes is all image and no substance.

Why don't I hear anything about a Tory "10 point plan to restore the fortunes of GB"

All I hear is "Oh if we say anything, Labour will nick it" . Really? GOOD! It means if it's worthwhile, we can start to reverse the fortunes of UK PLC sooner rather than later.

I don't remember Dr. Cable saying anything about "They will nick my ideas" . Which they did, and far too late.

All this shower of mendacious b*stards are interested in , is riding the gravy train on a circle line, dispensing bon mots along the way.

Why is there no action? Have you asked yourself that?