Originally Posted by BiscuitsAB

Originally Posted by jarrod248

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Let's give it a go though!

I'd like to but I don't believe any of them. I might be getting cynical but I can just see Tory govt's of old and we'll have sky high interest rates.

why? and how?

Why? Because high interest rates are good for people with money like the people the conservative party rely on.

Originally Posted by DeltaDog

I would love to think that we can change the system and get people voting further afield. However, we first need to stabilise the country and the only realistic way that's going to happen is if we get rid of Labour (i.e. vote Conservative).

Labour are finished for a generation. There is more chance of my cucumber plant becoming PM than there is of Brown getting re-elected. The next election is the first, and possibly last, chance of not just pushing one of the two majors out of power, but out of opposition - and that will put the shitters up all politicians of all parties. The way to effect change is not to do what we've always done but to do something different.

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Too late to pull out of the EU now it's too good amoney-making scheme for some.
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Good point this. I think it is too late to do anything about the EU. We are far too deep in and there are far too many people benifiting from the gravey train - look at the Kinnocks, Tony for President etc. The real long term damage this banking disaster, on top of all the other things that have blead this once great country dry, will bring, will be us getting sucked further under the Brussles thumb. Our weaken monitary state will be used as a excuse for closer working, joint this and joint that! Over stretch in the forces? European Army - easy. Not enought ships to escort our new carriers? European task force - easy. You can see it coming a mile away. It's the only way, they will tell us.

The 'Proof in the Pudding' will be if and when the Conservatives form the next Government - will they repeal all, or most of the legislation implement by Liar-boring over the last 11 or so years. The laws are those which are 'draconian' by anyone’s standards, including that piece of useless legislation, the 'Yuming Rites Act 1998'.

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The Convervatives are far from brilliant, but the current bunch of ex-communist sociopaths scare the fcuk out of me. Unless you want to live in a police state, I suggest you give it a rest until after the election.

We have to get Liar-boring out of office, before those who have sold us out 'Lock Stock and Forty Effing Barrells'... 'That Judas Moment' for their '30 Pieces of EU Siller'.

The McRuin-Broones, the B'Liars, the Meddlesome-petes, the Kerchingchuks et al.

It matters not what the Cyclops-McRuins, Meddlesome-petes, and Pals do to polish up the shoit-bucket called ‘New Liar-boring, it won’t work….

Old Eastern Sage states….. “A Turd is still a Turd, no matters how many times it is polished, shiny shiny new!”

Originally Posted by ottar

Originally Posted by DeltaDog

I would love to think that we can change the system and get people voting further afield. However, we first need to stabilise the country and the only realistic way that's going to happen is if we get rid of Labour (i.e. vote Conservative).

Labour are finished for a generation. There is more chance of my cucumber plant becoming PM than there is of Brown getting re-elected. The next election is the first, and possibly last, chance of not just pushing one of the two majors out of power, but out of opposition - and that will put the shitters up all politicians of all parties. The way to effect change is not to do what we've always done but to do something different.

Labour are finished, unless they can split the Conservative vote. Don't forget that there's a substantial minority who still vote Labour.

I agree with your ideals, but I just don't see how this can become a reality without major changes to the system - which neither of the major parties are going to push for.

[quote="saladin"]

Originally Posted by tattybadger

Finally, some traditional Conservative value coming back into politics:

As David Cameron has said, there is now a clear dividing line between Labour’s creeping authoritarianism and the Conservatives’ “instinctive desire to give people more power and control over their lives”, “our intention to change fundamentally the balance of power between the citizen and the state” and a deep commitment to “enhancing personal freedom and limiting the State’s power


Individual Liberty - sense at last

No politician of any persuasion has any intention of giving anyone any power or "control over their lives". The Conservatives may believe in the State doing less but they certainly don't believe in allowing anyone more personal freedom. They will cut back Govt spending and reduce taxs a percentage point or so - but what pieces of intrusive legislation will they repeal ?

Test case - Will I have the power to run a new piece of electrical cable in my own house without a "qualified" electrician "certifying" the work ?[/quote]

You can now, just explain when the house is sold that it was done by the previous owner! Works for me!

Have the Conservatives explained how they are going to cut back authoritarianism? Have they fcuk. David Cameron has the easiest job in politics right now: He doesn't have to propose anything or admit to anything - just keep slinging the mud and the votes will roll in. Just because Labour are so bad doesn't mean the Tories will be good.

Originally Posted by Mr_Deputy

Originally Posted by saladin

[Test case - Will I have the power to run a new piece of electrical cable in my own house without a "qualified" electrician "certifying" the work ?

Test case - house burns down due to shoddy electrics as new owners didn't know they had to 'wiggle the socket a bit first or it will arc' Is this all David Cameron's fault?

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So your version of giving us a bit of freedom is to remove the ability to do DIY in case we f@ck it up ? Nice logic. I think you are obviously a prime candidate for any remaining safe labour seats.

The last arcing wire in my house was one installed by a professional sparks in the extension. The old part of the house, that I rewired 15 years ago, is sound as a pound and has never had any electrical faults. Go figure.

At last - somebody else who thinks the same as me. Get this - voting for the other guy because "they can't be as bad as this lot" is exactly how Phoney Tony and his cohorts seized power in the first place. Since then they have steadily had their majority reduced - but it is still huge (at least a 14% swing required to give the Tories an outright majority at the next election - ish?)

Our current system allows us to vote for a Parliamentary Dictatorship - nothing more. The huge swings of the pendulum do nothing for the country and essentially results in the next administration dismantling the deeds of the previous one.

I'm with PTP. ALL members of the parties are forced to resign and stand as independents in their own constituencies with no party backing whatsoever. Throw it open to the proles and lets see what kind of parliament is returned.

In the meantime outlaw whipping of the vote and the next PM is decided by the members returned to the house. It could be like a Papal election - we could even use the pile of unwanted ID cards for the smoke...

No love for the Tories, and even less trust. But they are, God help us, the lesser of two evils. And even now, it's STILL not a forgone conculsion that they will win.

On paper, ZANU-Labour are heading for the biggest shoeing in political history. But there remains a sizeable minority who will vote Labour. No. Matter. What.

This includes the tribal voters, who would sooner circumsize themselves with a blunt Swiss Army Knife than vote Tory. And, of course, the Benefits Untermench who will get their fat arses off the sofa and waddle along to the polling booths to stop Call Me Dave from forcing them to work for a living. Even if it means them missing that morning's episode of Jeramy Kyle...

There are also the God-knows-how-many-people enjoying high salaries and gold-plated pensions for doing non-jobs like Diversity; turkeys don't vote for Christmas.