Thread: Prince of Wales costs us £3m!

Our average MP costs £200k in wages an diect expenses and a further £500k in Parliamenatary expeses and costs. Therefor The Prince of Wales costs around the same as four MP's.
I know which I consider better value and its not the thieving scum in Parliament.
Prince Charles actually puts in quite a bit of effort on behalf of this country, unlike the politicians who put in quite a bit of effort in serving themselves.

This is a diversionary non story. Read any of the media comments sections (Times, Sky, Whatever) and you will find that most comments are in support of the Prince. Westminster would do well to remember that their old tricks of diverting attention away from their own skulduggery don't fool quite as many people as hey used too. We all know it is a fairly naff atempt at alleviating the pressure on corrupt MP's. They know the public will mostly support the Prince Of Wales and they think that may mellow public attitudes toward expenses in general.

I wonder how much Brown's political trip to Chile was this year? Chartered Jet for him and his entourage and tame Journalists, with the cost of his master Lord Mandy of Boys who attended the same meeting (via Brazil). Somewhat near if not more than £3Million, and this was a political junket, NOT representing our country

The PM's holiday in Southwold cost the best part of a million, by the time security and everything else had been paid. And I believe some of his relatives were invited too.

It will be sad day indeed when Phil and Liz have gone ,the later generations are a waste of time /money/ space

HTF does he manage to spend £1.7million pa on non-official stuff? That strikes me as being a tad profligate for a bloke who has almost everything (except a good looking wife and a sensible accent).

Originally Posted by auxie

It will be sad day indeed when Phil and Liz have gone ,the later generations are a waste of time /money/ space

Prince Charles is not a waste of space, money or time. He devotes his time to this country - and pretty much nothing else. His two children are following in his footsteps.

I know you are a republican tw@t, but try and make an honest appraisal about his duty to this country and how he fulfills that duty will you? After all, he doesn't lie to the electorate, he doesn't allow parliament to steal from it, he doesn't sell our nation out against the will of the people, and he gives more of a sh!t about this country than most of the scumbags we elect, whilst costing a great deal less.

Originally Posted by Biped

Originally Posted by auxie

It will be sad day indeed when Phil and Liz have gone ,the later generations are a waste of time /money/ space

Prince Charles is not a waste of space, money or time. He devotes his time to this country - and pretty much nothing else. His two children are following in his footsteps.

I know you are a republican tw@t, but try and make an honest appraisal about his duty to this country and how he fulfills that duty will you? After all, he doesn't lie to the electorate, he doesn't allow parliament to steal from it, he doesn't sell our nation out against the will of the people, and he gives more of a sh!t about this country than most of the scumbags we elect, whilst costing a great deal less.

Sounds like you're an obsequious, fawning, monarchist twat, with comments like that!!

You've sort of missed the republican point here!! It's all to do with the system not the individuals.....

Originally Posted by Biped

Originally Posted by auxie

It will be sad day indeed when Phil and Liz have gone ,the later generations are a waste of time /money/ space

Prince Charles is not a waste of space, money or time. He devotes his time to this country - and pretty much nothing else. His two children are following in his footsteps.

I know you are a republican tw@t, but try and make an honest appraisal about his duty to this country and how he fulfills that duty will you? After all, he doesn't lie to the electorate, he doesn't allow parliament to steal from it, he doesn't sell our nation out against the will of the people, and he gives more of a sh!t about this country than most of the scumbags we elect, whilst costing a great deal less.

But the system is - there is no place in today's world for monarchies. They have no power - except of the ceremonial/symbolic kind and yet sap resources that could be best spent elsewhere.

Originally Posted by billybongo

Originally Posted by Biped

Originally Posted by auxie

It will be sad day indeed when Phil and Liz have gone ,the later generations are a waste of time /money/ space

Prince Charles is not a waste of space, money or time. He devotes his time to this country - and pretty much nothing else. His two children are following in his footsteps.

I know you are a republican tw@t, but try and make an honest appraisal about his duty to this country and how he fulfills that duty will you? After all, he doesn't lie to the electorate, he doesn't allow parliament to steal from it, he doesn't sell our nation out against the will of the people, and he gives more of a sh!t about this country than most of the scumbags we elect, whilst costing a great deal less.

Sounds like you're an obsequious, fawning, monarchist twat, with comments like that!!

You've sort of missed the republican point here!! It's all to do with the system not the individuals.....

Well, it's the same old sh!t, different day isn't it. Republican tw@ts who would see the destruction of the monarchy, and offer us NOTHING of value in return. Parliament - have you been watching and reading the news over the last few weeks?

Even when the Monarchy was abolished hundreds of years ago by your ignorant type, they had to bring it back, and why? Because of the troughing, lying, thieving sh!theads who replaced the Monarchy not being fit to govern us.

Who would I rather have as head of state - some elected president?

Let's stand some of the elected bosses around the world next to HM The Queen and/or HRH PRince Charles.

Charles vs Clinton?
Charles vs Blair?
Charles vs Broon?
Charles vs Bush?
Charles vs Mugabe?
Charles vs ah, I could go on for weeks. Fact is, none of them even stand up to HRH Prince Charles when it comes to character, decency and loyalty to this country.

WTF are you republicans offering that's better than these people? Nothing at all.

Let's actually have a boss, with real powers, who can make decisions and hold Parliament to account.

Let's call that boss Her Majesty!

Mr Biped you put so eloquently what I was trying to say myself.

I'm racking my brains to think of an elected President who stands comparison with our Royal Family, but can't.

I'm looking at the countries which got rid of their Royal Families and then invited them back (Spain followed our precedent there).

Give me the Scandinavians and us with their constitutional monarchies and little used but available methods to keep the mad, greedy elected representatives in check, any day!

Originally Posted by Biped

Originally Posted by billybongo

Originally Posted by Biped

Originally Posted by auxie

It will be sad day indeed when Phil and Liz have gone ,the later generations are a waste of time /money/ space

Prince Charles is not a waste of space, money or time. He devotes his time to this country - and pretty much nothing else. His two children are following in his footsteps.

I know you are a republican tw@t, but try and make an honest appraisal about his duty to this country and how he fulfills that duty will you? After all, he doesn't lie to the electorate, he doesn't allow parliament to steal from it, he doesn't sell our nation out against the will of the people, and he gives more of a sh!t about this country than most of the scumbags we elect, whilst costing a great deal less.

Sounds like you're an obsequious, fawning, monarchist twat, with comments like that!!

You've sort of missed the republican point here!! It's all to do with the system not the individuals.....

Well, it's the same old sh!t, different day isn't it. Republican tw@ts who would see the destruction of the monarchy, and offer us NOTHING of value in return. Parliament - have you been watching and reading the news over the last few weeks?

Even when the Monarchy was abolished hundreds of years ago by your ignorant type, they had to bring it back, and why? Because of the troughing, lying, thieving sh!theads who replaced the Monarchy not being fit to govern us.

Who would I rather have as head of state - some elected president?

Let's stand some of the elected bosses around the world next to HM The Queen and/or HRH PRince Charles.

Charles vs Clinton?
Charles vs Blair?
Charles vs Broon?
Charles vs Bush?
Charles vs Mugabe?
Charles vs ah, I could go on for weeks. Fact is, none of them even stand up to HRH Prince Charles when it comes to character, decency and loyalty to this country.

WTF are you republicans offering that's better than these people? Nothing at all.

Let's actually have a boss, with real powers, who can make decisions and hold Parliament to account.

Let's call that boss Her Majesty!

or let's drag ourselves into the 21st century and have a democratic process to elect our parliament and head of state.

The obverse of your banal point about Charles v x holds true too. EG Queen Diana v President Thatcher. Of course, you missed a point that only 2 out of 5 of your list were elected. There are some who might suggest that Mr Lincoln might well have done his country proud.

It may be that you are happy to live your life subserviant to a non-elected head of state, regardless of any principles of democracy, but to describe t any individual who thinks about and strives for more democracy in this country as a twat is an archaic and primitive perspective.

As a stab in the dark the combined civil list costs of the monarchy is around £10m, which I know is a fair amount in these cash straped times. This is split up between all the royals and there are a number of other incomes as well. As has already been stated, heads of state don't come much cheaper, if anything they can be alot more expensive.

However, to me the really whinge about £10m of tax payers going to the royals is missing the point. The Queen gives the income (profit) from the crown estates (her land and houses) to the Govt / taxpayer. This amounts to somewhere in the region of £200m per year. Overall, the taxpayer is some £190m up each year due to the royal family and I wouldn't even attempt to put a figure on the goodwill etc they project on the many engagements they undertake.

I think that the PoW gives damned good value for money and anyone who says he doesn't should just look at the pure monetary values, and carry on normal whinging.

http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/our_portfolio.htm

http://www.royal.gov.uk/TheRoyalHous...CivilList.aspx

Originally Posted by marabout

As a stab in the dark the combined civil list costs of the monarchy is around £10m, which I know is a fair amount in these cash straped times. This is split up between all the royals and there are a number of other incomes as well. As has already been stated, heads of state don't come much cheaper, if anything they can be alot more expensive.

However, to me the really whinge about £10m of tax payers going to the royals is missing the point. The Queen gives the income (profit) from the crown estates (her land and houses) to the Govt / taxpayer. This amounts to somewhere in the region of £200m per year. Overall, the taxpayer is some £190m up each year due to the royal family and I wouldn't even attempt to put a figure on the goodwill etc they project on the many engagements they undertake.

I think that the PoW gives damned good value for money and anyone who says he doesn't should just look at the pure monetary values, and carry on normal whinging.

http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/our_portfolio.htm

http://www.royal.gov.uk/TheRoyalHous...CivilList.aspx

I suspect that there is some obscuration over the figures admitted to in your links! I doubt that the genuine figures are ever published.

It was only very recently that any tax was paid on income generated by their business activities, so don't be fooled into a naive belief that these figures are accurate.

But, it's not the cost that is the issue.

You're right - it's not the cost. If it was, the MPs (our elected, so-called representatives) would not have just paid back 1/20th of that amount (£500,000) back into the public coffers - that's £500,000 they admit they should not have claimed for, tax free.

Subservience? Should I offer my oath of allegience to Gordon Brown instead? Should I offer it to Tony Blair? If not HM, then who should I offer my allegience? Whom should I serve?

Now is when you say 'nobody'. Thus, none of us should have a boss, a guvnor, a head honcho, a leader. We should serve no man or woman, only ideals! How quaint. Who's ideals? Who's moral code? Who's laws? Who should make them? Do we simply do as we will, with no consequence?

If you remove the Monarchy, you leave us with nothing, nothing but the fat, greedy, lying, self serving scumbags who claim the moral, legal and elected right to make our rules, to levy money from our pockets, and then decide how it is spent - and no alternative, no overwatch, no ruler who we can turn to if it all goes wrong - only those career pigs, who fought tooth and nail to climb up the greasy pole of corruption, stabbing each other in the back and face on the way up. The most succesful at this game of deceipt, corruption and greed gets to lead us, run our economy, decide which wars we shall fight, who gets paid, and who dies.

Neither Prince Charles nor Her Majesty are in their roles through an innate ability to lie, steal and back-stab - having been born to the role, they are there purely to serve in it - for the betterment of Britain. They have demonstrated their devotion to us and our lands for many, many, many years. It is not for them to swan off and make millions out of book deals, or speaking tours, regailing us with tales of conversion to religion, whilst seeking to pontificate from the moral high ground.

Her Majesty hasn't retired - Her work goes on. Her son, born to be a Prince and then a King has served our nation for most of his life, child and adult. He hasn't made the most of it, filled his pockets and then p!ssed off to some lucrative job in a bank somewhere - he works on, and he will not retire.

Not from Her Majesty do we hear 'I'm no leavin 'til ah get wut ahm due! A didnae do this joab all this tahm t'naw git mah due' like the ennobled Speaker of the House Michael Martin.

Tell us, o sage Republican - who shall watch those that govern us?

Worry not Biped, come the revolution the Republicans will be up against the wall.